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Bill Lawless wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 9:24 am There are currently entire cities, like Burlington Vt. that claim to be a Net-Zero city, No Fossil fuels!!
No fossil fuels? No so fast. Thirty percent of Burlington's energy is generated by biomass (in this case wood) burning, 50% from hydro generation, and and 20% from wind turbines and solar panels. Many if not most environmentalists consider only that last 20% to be both "renewable" and truly "green". Cutting down trees and damming rivers are anathema to building a green Utopia.

Further, regarding that biomass, Burlington Electric states (emphasis added): "McNeil is a biomass fueled power plant and operates on clean, untreated wood fuel (wood chips) but has the capability to operate on natural gas or fuel oil (minimum load on fuel oil only) in case of an emergency. Does the McNeil Station use other fuel sources? Yes."

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PS an article in September 2023 suggests Burlington has not yet reached even "net-zero" status:

Climate scientists held a symposium in June to urge Burlington to rethink its reliance on burning trees for electricity. Clean energy advocates proposed state legislation that would have prevented Burlington from calling McNeil's power renewable. And climate activists have held loud rallies demanding that the city shut down the plant. ... If the project can't overcome the looming financial and political hurdles, Mayor Miro Weinberger's aggressive goals to become a "net-zero" city by 2030 could prove significantly harder to reach. ... Burlington hopes to reduce and eventually eliminate fossil fuel use in the heating and ground transportation sectors, and the project has for years been a key component.

https://www.sevendaysvt.com/news/pipe-d ... m-39187947
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Ahh Yes, That was a typo, Should of said "Claim to be getting close to a Net Zero"
They have a pretty agressive RoadMap, and yes, there will always be debates on how to get there,
For example, there are as many bioenergy supporters as there are Biomass critics, and articles for both sides, Like the UK replacing all its Coal plants to wood burning plants, which I not a fan of, rather see all clean energy:

https://www.burlingtonelectric.com/site ... oadmap.pdf

Anyway, the main point here being, eventually the Energy, to charge EV cars, will be getting cleaner, and fossil fuels Not so much.
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Great scam! Scientists are not in complete agreement that emissions from burning fossil fuels are as harmful as politicians proclaim. There are many factions who benefit financially from the "climate crisis". There is no financial benefit to being on the other side of this issue. Promotion and financial investment, intended to create financial return, is driving the narrative. Meanwhile the public is being manipulated to purchase expensive and impractical vehicles they otherwise would not buy.
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Gee, 30 years at woke Goldman Sachs does not make you smart enough to run Hertz. Surprise! His woke associates said EVs were the way to go but they were WRONG. Never heard of Bud Light? Does anybody ask the customers what they want anymore?

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Bill Lawless wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 7:16 am ... Like the UK replacing all its Coal plants to wood burning plants, which I not a fan of, ...:
The insanity of that becomes clear even to the casual reader when you add that the UK imports nearly all of its wood biomass from overseas. That's right, paying to ship it via good old fossil-burning ships. And burning wood emits more carbon dioxide per kWh of electricity than coal or gas.
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I agree that's pretty crazy, they get it from the southern US states if I remember correctly..
It would be interesting to see the data that said this is a good idea??
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Bill Lawless wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 4:05 pm I agree that's pretty crazy, they get it from the southern US states if I remember correctly..
It would be interesting to see the data that said this is a good idea??
It depends on which zealots you listen to. Those in the biofuel industry have an obvious motive, while many in the UK government want to virtue signal that the UK is doing its share of planet-saving; both claim that biofuels are green renewables since new trees can be grown, and the carbon released by burning them was already in the biosphere (not underground). The more religious enviro-zealots are clamoring that biofuels are anything but green and in fact do more harm than good, since they are a relatively inefficient (compared to, say, natural gas) energy source, trees are difficult and slow to replace, and a living tree remains an active carbon sync for a long, long time.

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Bill Lawless wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:55 am "Electric motors also work much more efficiently than internal combustion engines. This means that 80% of electrical energy can be converted into propulsion, whilst only 20% is lost as heat. With a internal combustion engine, on the other hand, only about 25% of the energy generated can be used for propulsion.Feb 1, 2022 "
Modern electric motors are amazingly efficient compared to ICE. But a charged EV battery is woefully energy deficient compared to a modest tankful of fossil fuel. A decent hybrid strikes a good balance but is, sadly, politically incorrect.
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To throw a spanner into the works -
How many trillions of dollars is the US government spending on climate subsides (EV rebates, etc.) to pound our chests while meanwhile neglecting our military in spite of China, Iran and Russia building up their militaries at breakneck speed? Not to mention Medicare and Social Security going broke. Both parties are just as guilty in this.
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Mark Roth wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:17 am To throw a spanner into the works -
How many trillions of dollars is the US government spending on climate subsides (EV rebates, etc.) to pound our chests while meanwhile neglecting our military in spite of China, Iran and Russia building up their militaries at breakneck speed? Not to mention Medicare and Social Security going broke. Both parties are just as guilty in this.
Both parties? Yes. True Conservatives? No. Was Social Security and Medicare robbed to acquire votes through social spending? Yes. Wasteful? Yes. Do taxpayers get any respect? No. EVs and the climate crisis is another means by which taxpayer money is diverted to destinations that could not otherwise acquire that money. Politicians don't do these things unless they gain personally either through contributions, insider trading, or worse. How many gold bars do you keep in your closet? How much cash do you keep in your freezer? Are orgies in a private jet and on a private island benefits that you received in your professional life? Our government is a mess.
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Mark Roth wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:17 am To throw a spanner into the works -
How many trillions of dollars is the US government spending on climate subsides (EV rebates, etc.) to pound our chests while meanwhile neglecting our military in spite of China, Iran and Russia building up their militaries at breakneck speed?
Mark, you must have missed the memo:

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CJ, my very first thought was, Warm in the winter and shade in the summer....
Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.....

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Wes Bender wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:40 pm CJ, my very first thought was, Warm in the winter and shade in the summer....
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CJ,
The government must be full of gas otherwise the rear wheel would have collapsed.

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