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Re: Restoration Question for my 1963, 356-SC

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 8:27 am
by Wes Bender
Yes Vic. Share with us what color carpet Monte should install.

Re: Restoration Question for my 1963, 356-SC

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 8:41 am
by Vic Skirmants
Al Zim wrote: Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:17 pm As a for instance let take the front end of a 356 just the king pin carrier with the king pin in place. We recently received a set of running gear to evaluate.
WE have all the Porsche and VW tools that are necessary and shown in the 356B/C shop manual. Disassembly revealed that this well known shop did not have a lathe to properly set the spacing on the king pin. The factory provides a white Plastic bushing which IMMEDIATELY starts to wear out. As the bushing deteriorates it deteriorates faster. The technician stacked a bunch of link pin shims around the king pin but there was still space for movement. It starts wearing out immediately. With machinist measuring tools we were able to ascertain that the surfaces where the link pin shims attach to their king pin holding device were worn and the camber of the front end is not correct. We used the vertical mill and tooling we developed to rectify this situation and to add a little more camber to the front suspension. Many enthusiasts state that the 356 suspension does not wear out. If not why did the factory provide complicated measuring devices. NEVER HAVE I ENCOUNTERED ANYONE WHO HAS HAD THEIR FRONT END FEBUILT AND HAD THE TORSION BARS SWABBED CLEAN. NOR HAVE I EVER ENCOUNTERED ANYONE THAT IS KNOWLEDGABLE ON RESTORING THE BEARING RACES FOR THE TRAILING ARMS. NOR HAVE I EVER ENCOUNTERED ANYONE WHO HAS MADE A CONCERTED EFFORT TO PURCHASE ALL THE 356 FRONT END PARTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
Conclusion: Yes it is expensive for us to do your work. Knowledge is expensive.
As a note to you Vic Skirmants: Yes I spin at 78 RPM! You have years of experience with 356 cars and building nearly 1000 transmissions. Share your knowledge. I spent all day doing that. Zim
I happily share my knowledge; I do not beat anybody over the head with an infomercial in 99% of my posts. Now knock it off before I demand that Mark Roth pauses you for six months!

Re: Restoration Question for my 1963, 356-SC

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 2:20 pm
by Mark Roth
Al,
The poster asked about carpeting. You turned this topic into a commercial for your shop. One more time and then you’re suspended.

Re: Restoration Question for my 1963, 356-SC

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 4:04 pm
by Monte Turner
Hi Al Zim,

Now you got me scared! What are you suggesting? I'm in northern California, want me to take my front end off and send it to you, or at least parts of it? I have a ZIMS account; can you send me a parts list of the frontend for this car of the items that will for sure need replacement?

Thx -Monte

Re: Restoration Question for my 1963, 356-SC

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 6:31 pm
by Mike Wilson
Monte:

I suggest you contact Al directly.

Mike

Re: Restoration Question for my 1963, 356-SC

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:33 pm
by Vic Skirmants
Mark Roth wrote: Mon Jan 16, 2023 2:20 pm Al,
The poster asked about carpeting. You turned this topic into a commercial for your shop. One more time and then you’re suspended.
Thank you, Mark.

Re: Restoration Question for my 1963, 356-SC

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 3:47 am
by George Krompecher
Monte,
Use common sense. Ask around.
Some here will have you spend your life savings, which might be.... exaggerated depending on the use you have for your car.

Re: Restoration Question for my 1963, 356-SC

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 11:54 am
by Al Zim
Monte: lots of people send us parts to be rebuilt. You are asking me to tell you what you need! You probably do not have the measuring tools to see what is not worn out. I cannot tell you how to fix your front end! It is a violation of advertising in the talk. Be extremely careful when you remove the king pin so you do not distort the carrier.
You may send us all your parts. (not the torsion bars, please) ZIMZ will measure them and tell you what we have found. Everything will be returned to you. We cannot ship for free. Al Zim 817-267-4451

Re: Restoration Question for my 1963, 356-SC

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 4:46 pm
by Adam Wright
Vic Skirmants wrote: Sun Jan 15, 2023 8:41 am
Al Zim wrote: Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:17 pm As a for instance let take the front end of a 356 just the king pin carrier with the king pin in place. We recently received a set of running gear to evaluate.
WE have all the Porsche and VW tools that are necessary and shown in the 356B/C shop manual. Disassembly revealed that this well known shop did not have a lathe to properly set the spacing on the king pin. The factory provides a white Plastic bushing which IMMEDIATELY starts to wear out. As the bushing deteriorates it deteriorates faster. The technician stacked a bunch of link pin shims around the king pin but there was still space for movement. It starts wearing out immediately. With machinist measuring tools we were able to ascertain that the surfaces where the link pin shims attach to their king pin holding device were worn and the camber of the front end is not correct. We used the vertical mill and tooling we developed to rectify this situation and to add a little more camber to the front suspension. Many enthusiasts state that the 356 suspension does not wear out. If not why did the factory provide complicated measuring devices. NEVER HAVE I ENCOUNTERED ANYONE WHO HAS HAD THEIR FRONT END FEBUILT AND HAD THE TORSION BARS SWABBED CLEAN. NOR HAVE I EVER ENCOUNTERED ANYONE THAT IS KNOWLEDGABLE ON RESTORING THE BEARING RACES FOR THE TRAILING ARMS. NOR HAVE I EVER ENCOUNTERED ANYONE WHO HAS MADE A CONCERTED EFFORT TO PURCHASE ALL THE 356 FRONT END PARTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
Conclusion: Yes it is expensive for us to do your work. Knowledge is expensive.
As a note to you Vic Skirmants: Yes I spin at 78 RPM! You have years of experience with 356 cars and building nearly 1000 transmissions. Share your knowledge. I spent all day doing that. Zim
I happily share my knowledge; I do not beat anybody over the head with an infomercial in 99% of my posts. Now knock it off before I demand that Mark Roth pauses you for six months!
Vic also always picks up the phone if you have a question, even a stupid one, ask me how I know...

Re: Restoration Question for my 1963, 356-SC

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:56 pm
by jim nelson
I have encountered a car that has had its front end rebuilt and had the torsion bars removed, swabbed clean, checked for cracks, reinstalled and regreased. We did that on the '60 Cab we restored, and also on a factory orange '59, a '64 Bali Blue Cab, and upcoming on a Smyrna Green Cab. Not as uncommon as you might think, if you want the car to work the way the factory wanted it.
And Vic, +1…

Re: Restoration Question for my 1963, 356-SC

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:56 pm
by Monte Turner
All good comments, THx - I selected the Charcoal Black square weave from Germany.