Sandcast Solex 40PII on a pre 59 pushrod engine?

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Sandcast Solex 40PII on a pre 59 pushrod engine?

#1 Post by Olivier Auvray »

Dear Folks,

For a FIA registration I'm looking for any information about a 356 A (coupe or speedster) with a pushrod engine and Solex 40PII "sandcast" carbs.
For my project, I need to be sure that one engine like this one was used in the 50's for racing............and I need to find proof!

Sorry for my not so good english!

Best regards from France!

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Sandcast Solex 40PII on a pre 59 pushrod engine?

#2 Post by Joris Koning »

I have a factory publicity shot of the new S90 engine with sand cast carbs
mounted to it. Have never seen ny pictures of an A cr with sand cats apart
rom the Carrera's offcourse

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Dear Folks,

For a FIA registration I'm looking for any information about a 356 A
(coupe or speedster) with a pushrod engine and Solex 40PII "sandcast"
carbs.
For my project, I need to be sure that one engine like this one was used
in the 50's for racing............and I need to find proof!

Sorry for my not so good english!

Best regards from France!





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Sandcast Solex 40PII on a pre 59 pushrod engine?

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Oliver,
The Solex PII were not used on any A models except the S90
Conv. D or 4 cam motors.

Alan

Olivier AUVRAY wrote:
Dear Folks,

For a FIA registration I'm looking for any information about a 356 A
(coupe or speedster) with a pushrod engine and Solex 40PII "sandcast" carbs.
For my project, I need to be sure that one engine like this one was used
in the 50's for racing............and I need to find proof!

Sorry for my not so good english!

Best regards from France!




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Re: Sandcast Solex 40PII on a pre 59 pushrod engine?

#4 Post by Frederic Prince »

Alan Klingen wrote:Oliver,
The Solex PII were not used on any A models except the S90
Conv. D or 4 cam motors.

Alan

Olivier AUVRAY wrote:
Dear Folks,

For a FIA registration I'm looking for any information about a 356 A
(coupe or speedster) with a pushrod engine and Solex 40PII "sandcast" carbs.
For my project, I need to be sure that one engine like this one was used
in the 50's for racing............and I need to find proof!

Sorry for my not so good english!

Best regards from France!




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no conv. D were built with S90, no ?
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#5 Post by David Seeland »

The 1100cc 356SL 356/2-058 had them for Lemans in 1953 as did the pushrod Spyders. The entry papers for -058 only say Solex but Ludvigsen's 1953-1956 Spyder book says that the Le Mans entries (two SLs and two pushrod Spyders) had twin-throat Solex carburetors. They are pictured in a Spyder on page 11.
By the way, does anybody recognize the oil filler in the picture? The size is similar to a Super filler but it has a screw-on cap and may be aluminum.
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#6 Post by Vic Skirmants »

Olivier,
Do you think the LeMans organizers will accept this? I think you have a chance.

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#7 Post by Olivier Auvray »

Sonauto built 1 or 2 cars (A coupe, pushrod, sandcast 40PII)...................but I've no real proof of that, except a pair of intake manifolds (for pushrod heads, made with steel, welded) and a pair of "sandcast" carbs!
At this time, I can not find informations about this story! But I believe that somebody, somewhere, in the 50's, had the same idea: more power in a pushrod engine!

May be a registry member owns some pics or knows the old guy who....

Many thanks!
Olivier

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Take a look at Picture 62 of Charlie Whites photo album I believe this engine is what you are looking for. al zim
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#9 Post by Vic Skirmants »

Al, what am I missing? It's an A engine, flat distributor cap, large generator, NO carbs, although the manifolds appear to be Solex, or Weber?

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#10 Post by Al Zim »

Vic: I thought they were solex manifolds and the engine was an "A" engine. I have never seen an early engine that had been updated with solex 40PII carburetors. Not to say it did not happen, only my clients have never done that. al
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Solex 0 PII carbs on an A engine?

#11 Post by Dick Weiss »

My answer would be that the S90 GT cp would have them along w/their heads having enlarged manifolds-to-ports feeding their 40mm intake valves, Ferral cylinders w/9 to 1
compression pistons and a lightweight car to chase the Carrera engined cars 'cheaper'.
Bill Bencker would know for sure.

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Oliver,
The sand cast Solex were on some of the first 4 cam motors,
this would be in the early 50's. Even though someone put
them on a car way back then it still does not mean you can
run them. The deciding factor for the FIA is if the Porsche
factory offered them on your year of car.
Steel, welded manifolds are standard for the 4 cam motors.
These are the only steel manifolds I have seen for the 40
PII. One way to ID the manifold is that the 4 cam intakes
ports are about 5 inches apart whereas the push rod ones are
almost next to each other.

Alan

Olivier AUVRAY wrote:
Sonauto built 1 or 2 cars (A coupe, pushrod, sandcast
40PII)...................but I've no real proof of that, except a pair
of intake manifolds (for pushrod heads, made with steel, welded) and a
pair of "sandcast" carbs!
At this time, I can not find informations about this story! But I
believe that somebody, somewhere, in the 50's, had the same idea: more
power in a pushrod engine!

May be a registry member owns some pics or knows the old guy who....

Many thanks!
Olivier




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Sand cast Solex 40 PII carbs

#13 Post by Dick Weiss »

I don't know about the real early Solex carbs, but my sets of carbs and steel manifolds from a '58 and '59 4-cam engines have 10mm mounting holes for the 10mm studs for the 15mm hex nuts.

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#14 Post by Guest »

That was my impression also but there are a few people out
here that race vintage with Solex carbs on their 356A Conv
D. The spec book does not show this but they get away with it.

Alan

Frederic Prince wrote:
*Alan Klingen wrote:*
Oliver,
The Solex PII were not used on any A models except the S90
Conv. D or 4 cam motors.

Alan

Olivier AUVRAY wrote:
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Dear Folks,

For a FIA registration I'm looking for any information about a 356 A
(coupe or speedster) with a pushrod engine and Solex 40PII "sandcast" carbs.
For my project, I need to be sure that one engine like this one was used
in the 50's for racing............and I need to find proof!

Sorry for my not so good english!

Best regards from France!




no conv. D were built with S90, no ?
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Barry,
I have to agree with you about this but there is a well
known vintage driver out there racing a 356A bodied car with
Solexes and gets a way with this because he says the D came
with a S90 motor. My factory spec book shows that the first
S90 was in 1960 with motor number 800101.

Alan

Barry Brisco wrote:
Hi Alan,

Your message could be interpreted as saying there was an "S90 Conv. D",
but I'm not aware that the D model ever had a Super 90 engine installed
at the factory during production of the 59 model year. Am I missing
something?

Barry

On Nov 15, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Alan Klingen wrote:
Oliver,
The Solex PII were not used on any A models except the S90
Conv. D or 4 cam motors.

Alan

Olivier AUVRAY wrote:
Dear Folks,

For a FIA registration I'm looking for any information about a 356 A
(coupe or speedster) with a pushrod engine and Solex 40PII "sandcast"
carbs.
For my project, I need to be sure that one engine like this one was used
in the 50's for racing............and I need to find proof!

Sorry for my not so good english!

Best regards from France!



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