Why no one wants a new car now - WSJ

[Brian R Adams]

All Solar panels have the same/similar "efficiency rating" wherever they are installed..

I see what you did there. Cute. It only requires more of them.
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[Bill Lawless]

It took a while to get there ??

[Larry Brooks]

Vermont's export of Bernie Sanders indicates something unrealistic about that state. Were it up to me I would limit the population of a state to that which can be supported by hydro power. (Solar power comes from China via their control of rare earths.) Fairly redistributing the power generated by the Grand Coulee and Hover dams could occupy the Federal Government in addition to its other awesome responsibilities. Then I wonder what the tradeoff between EVs and people would be? Brian?

List Of Hydroelectricity Producing US States By National Percentage

Rank State Percentage of National Hydroelectricity Production
1 Washington 37
2 California 13
3 Oregon 11
4 New York 6

[Brian R Adams]

How about consumption? Four states rely on hydroelectricity for at least half of their electric power:

1 Washington
2 Idaho
3 Oregon
4 Vermont
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[Nathan Miller]

Were it up to me I would limit the population of a state to that which can be supported by hydro power.

How would you limit a state's population?

[Brian R Adams]

Were it up to me I would limit the population of a state to that which can be supported by hydro power.

How would you limit a state's population?

Government edict under the National Emergencies Act (1976) would be step one. It gets a little messy after that.
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[Michael Branning]

Were it up to me I would limit the population of a state to that which can be supported by hydro power.

How would you limit a state's population?

Government edict under the National Emergencies Act (1976) would be step one. It gets a little messy after that.
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At the rate we are going, we are going to have to create an Off-Off-Off-Topic Forum. Wasn't this thread about why nobody wanted a new car?

[Martin Benade]

It’s a slippery slope, but at least it’s going down hill.

And Brian, sometimes the depth of your knowledge is unnatural.

[Michael Branning]

And Brian, sometimes the depth of your knowledge is unnatural.

+1

Brian, I don’t always agree with every point you advocate, but the insights and data you share are impressive.

[Bill Lawless]

Were it up to me I would limit the population of a state to that which can be supported by hydro power.

How would you limit a state's population?

Government edict under the National Emergencies Act (1976) would be step one. It gets a little messy after that.
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At the rate we are going, we are going to have to create an Off-Off-Off-Topic Forum. Wasn't this thread about why nobody wanted a new car?

I agree Michael, way off topic, I going back to talking about 356's.. Always remember to Fact Check!!!

[Brian R Adams]

Always remember to Fact Check!!!

But fact-check the Fact Checkers. Their record (easily reviewable) on charged stories in the past couple of years does not inspire confidence. Consider the sponsoring organization as the lead clue.
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[Brian R Adams]

Vermont is the greenest state in the U.S., according to ConsumerAffairs.

And Vermont's average household electricity price (cents/kWh) is 32% higher than the U.S. average, and higher than 24 of 39 European countries (per Energy Information Agency).

Top Ten most expensive household electricity price states:

1. Hawaii
2. California
3. Rhode Island
4. Massachusetts
5. Connecticut
6. Maine
7. New Hampshire
8. Alaska
9. New York
10. Vermont

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[Brian R Adams]

Back on topic:

Story in The Telegraph (excerpts):

Car makers are rationing sales of petrol and hybrid vehicles in Britain to avoid hefty net zero fines, according to one of the country’s biggest dealership chains.

Robert Forrester, chief executive of Vertu Motors, said manufacturers were delaying deliveries of cars until next year amid fears they will otherwise breach quotas set for them by the Government.

This means someone ordering a car today at some dealerships will not receive it until February, he said.

At the same time, Mr Forrester warned manufacturers and dealers were grappling with a glut of more expensive electric vehicles (EVs) that are “not easily finding homes”. He said: “In some franchises there’s a restriction on supply of petrol cars and hybrid cars, which is actually where the demand is.

“It’s almost as if we can’t supply the cars that people want, but we’ve got plenty of the cars that they don’t want.”

The chief executive blamed the zero emission vehicle (ZEV) mandate, which requires at least 22pc of cars sold by manufacturers to be electric from this year.

Mr Forrester added that although some people might cheer falling electric car prices, supporters of the ZEV mandate in its current form were “economic buffoons, because car manufacturers are being forced to discount EVs to such an extent that they’re making losses…and that is not a good thing for business”.

“As Carlos Tavares [chief executive of Stellantis] has said, why should they sell cars at a loss because of UK government policy?

“The new car market is no longer a market, unfortunately. It’s a state-imposed supply chain.”
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[Nathan Miller]

I read that Chinese car company, BYD, is building EVs that are selling for $11,400 equivalent. Biden put a 100% tariff on cars from China to keep auto assembly jobs in the US. Biden knows I am too stupid to know how best to spend my money, but I can't wonder how helpful it would be to low income families to be able to buy a new car for $11,000.

https://insideevs.com/news/710364/byd-d ... -caresoft/

[Brian R Adams]

I read that Chinese car company, BYD, is building EVs that are selling for $11,400 equivalent. Biden put a 100% tariff on cars from China to keep auto assembly jobs in the US.

The mythical "affordable" EV is touted at $25,000. So even with a 100% tariff, that Chinese EV should find buyers. Obviously there's more involved than meets the eye. It's just possible that even at an affordable price, too many people are anxious about range, charging, and robustness. (Even a minor fender-bender can earmark the battery pack as a "forklift" item, and ergo totals the car. Are batteries covered by insurance policies, and at what premium?)
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