1963 ivory 6204 bright white or off white?

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1963 ivory 6204 bright white or off white?

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I just bought '63 cabriolet vin 158437 production date 05/21/1963 per C of A- is that white a bright white porcelain like or a off white almost creme color ?. Mine was repainted 30+ years ago and it is a creme off white- is that right ? CALIF car since new, bought from 30+ year owner. Would like info on how to get Kardex- I will have 100 questions as time goes on, so get used to seeing my name. My first Porsche was a 67 912 I bought about 1970. Many many over the years, currently 89 Speedster and 22 Targa-
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#2 Post by Jules Dielen »

Welcome Bob! It was ivory unless it was a special order. If 6204 is the color code in the door jamb, it's ivory.
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Welcome to the forum Bob. Email sent re the Kardex.
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#4 Post by Greg Bryan »

Over the years, Ivory got whiter and whiter until they called it Light Ivory. Since my 64 SC Cab is Light Ivory I’ve taken a special interest in the color and my observation is that I’ve never seen two ivory cars that are the same shade. I’ve seen three cars side by side at car shows and they’re all different.
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#5 Post by Jules Dielen »

100% concur. 356A ivory was more vanilla. C ivory was lighter, early 911/912 'light ivory' was almost white.
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#6 Post by Doug McDonnell »

Bob I helped a friend buy a 63 that was Ivory. It had been resprayed closer to LIght ivory but the engine lid opening lips were still original and very much original in my opinion. As Jules said Creamy. If you have ever been to a dairy farm during milking very similar to fresh whole cream. I unloaded bulk milk trucks at a dairy as my "pay for college" job. Do to the changes in paint chemistry it is very hard to get an exact match now to most colors.
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The main thing that’s changed is that old formulas are meaningless. The right software can get close, or the right person can definitely duplicate any old color given a good sample to match to.
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Where does 356A Elfenbein fit it the ivory spectrum? My Conv D was originally elfenbein. If the bodywork ever gets done, I would like to restore the color too.

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Here are some photos of my ivory 63 B that I have owned since 72. During my ownership it has been painted twice. Each time we matched the original color.
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A ivory was darker than B ivory... 🤣
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Here’s my Ivory T2 1959 Coupe
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When I built the Chassis Number History database on the Registry website I believe that I created a complete list of all the cataloged colors offered by Porsche through 356 production. See below.

White or Ivory was offered since day one.
First was a white that had no number starting very early.
Then came Penicillin White #530.
White #603.
Then came Ivory #5404, 504, 5704,6004, 6204, 704, 738. Really a cream white. Slight yellow tint.
Glacier White #5713, 713. Not pure, green blue tint????
Finally Light Ivory #6404, 131.

Ivory was a popular color which my father owned a new 1959 and a new 1963. Parked next to a Light Ivory car, like the one owner 1964 C coupe that I owned in 1969, the early Ivory was clearly off white, creamy. Light Ivory, introduced in 1964, was whiter.

The first 2 digits of the 4 digit paint code numbers represent the year that they were introduced or re-introduced.
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#13 Post by John Laettner »

I have noticed that the B ivory is more of an ecru color, and the C ivory is more of a refrigerator white color. Peter Silten's car above is more ecru than the bright white of a C.
To me, the B ivory is a richer color and is a better color.
 

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We’re all Ivory cars starting with 5404 the same until Light Ivory came out? I mean theoretically the same disregarding how variable the actual mixes were.
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Martin Benade wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 2:39 pm We’re all Ivory cars starting with 5404 the same until Light Ivory came out? I mean theoretically the same disregarding how variable the actual mixes were.
I think so but the premier restoration guys may have more accurrate information.

It looks like Porsche started using 4 diget color codes in 1954. They seem to get changed at the A introduction, the T5B introduction, T6B, and finally T6C introduction. Most colors, that is the ACTUAL color, only lasted only a short time and didn't have multiple codes but black, Ruby, Signal, Ivory, Silver, and a few others were carried over but got updated codes.

The 3 diget codes were Reutter assigned codes and Porsche used only the 4 diget codes once the T6C production started after buying out Reutter. Just to keep things even more confusing, the T6B Signal red was 6211 while the T6C Signal red was 6407 but certainly the same ACTUAL color. 6411 would be a Toga Brown T6C.

On top of all that new cars of the same color on dealer lots didn't always match.

Based on our family's new Ivory 59 and 63 the paint was a very close match and the 5 year old 64 Light Ivory car was much whiter.
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