Early T-2 front signal light trivia

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Re: Early T-2 front signal light trivia

#16 Post by Dave Erickson »

My Conv. D was a European delivery car, so it could have been for that reason. Did all ConvD's come with the twist-on lights?

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Yea those appeared on the press release pics of 85501, the first D
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#18 Post by Joris Koning »

So far the latest car without wedges I have been able to identify is 102170
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#19 Post by C J Murray »

I believe my T 1.5 Speedster built 5/29/57 originally had signal lights without wedges. The car had not been restored ever when I bought it in 1994 without wedges. I can't be absolutely certain how it was when it left the factory though.
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#20 Post by Chuck House »

85501 had the later twist front signals but not all ConvDs had them. As Steve Douglas mentioned, there seemed to be a period in the first '59 model cars (starting in '58) where there were inconsistencies as a lot of cars were still getting the older screw/separate wedge type, likely to use up stock. 85692 and 104762 have the older wedge style and are both US '59 models. Also, as Joris said, the separate wedge appeared after the 6 digit T1s although unfortunately I can't add any further info to Joris' last pre-wedge data point.
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#21 Post by C J Murray »

When was the build date for 102170?
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#22 Post by Joris Koning »

Jules and I are having fun going back and forth on the visa WhatsApp. For now the picture only appears to be getting murkier instead of clearer. What is clear is that several of the late '57 produced cars appears to not have had wedges
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#23 Post by Jules Dielen »

It's indeed a bit foggy... they appear in the parts manual at the beehive to teardrop change, so at the start of the 6 digit cars, but who knows for sure when the first box made it to the production line. Speedsters and Ds were notorious 'leftover' cars as it is, since they were the cheap cars.
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#24 Post by Steve Douglas »

I remember back years ago when I was doing an original late 58 coupe why it had twist on lights, in searching the changes in the lens, using the A parts book;
Early cars had the shorter lens #644 631 401 01, according to NLA: for 1952 thru 1957 (to Cpe #100,000, Cabrio #61 700, Spstr #83 200)
The next lens part number listed was the 644 631 411 00 which was listed for chassis # 100001 > 104089, 61701 > 61892, 150001 > 150639, 83201 > 84922.
The last listing in A its book is lens part number is 644 631 411 01. for chassis # > 104090, > 150640, > 85503. I assume these are twist on, but are shown by Stoddard as the tall two screw style lens.
Then there is the tall two screw lenses shown by NLA' as the "late A tall lens as # 644 631 004 01, not appearing in the A parts book
The twist on lens is listed in the B T-5 parts book at 644 631 411 01 (same number as the last A listing).
Also in both the A and T-5B parts books show a rubber seal 644 631 413 01, listed for the later series of lenses for the 644 631 411 01 (later A-T-5B).
While the parts book lists the distinct changes by chassis numbers for the style of front blinker lights it seems that it wasn't always followed. Too many later A's with both styles of lights

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