New California classic car survey

[Brian R Adams]

Kyle Vogt has resigned as CEO of General Motors' Cruise, less than a month after Cruise paused all operations of its autonomous vehicles following California's suspension of Cruise's driverless permits in the wake of a hit-and-run incident. Cruise earlier recalled 950 driverless cars across the U.S..
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[Brian R Adams]

Kyle Vogt has resigned as CEO of General Motors' Cruise, less than a month after Cruise paused all operations of its autonomous vehicles following California's suspension of Cruise's driverless permits in the wake of a hit-and-run incident. Cruise earlier recalled 950 driverless cars across the U.S..

Daniel Kan, co-founder and product chief at General Motors' self-driving unit Cruise, has resigned just a day after its CEO Kyle Vogt stepped down. As our British friends might say, "What ... a ... shower!"
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[Brian R Adams]

FWIW New York City Fire Commissioner Laura Kavanagh testified to the Consumer Product Safety Commission in July 2023 that lithium battery fires are now the leading cause of fatal fires in New York City. “Private industry can take action that would immediately save lives,” Kavanagh said at a news conference a fatal fire site in Brooklyn on 13 November 2023.

But private industry is being "encouraged" (coerced?) by progressive government to rapidly adopt EVs in order to, you know, save the planet. That's not the same as saving lives. That whole "If you want to make an omelet ..." thingy.
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[Larry Brooks]

FWIW New York City Fire Commissioner Laura Kavanagh testified to the Consumer Product Safety Commission in July 2023 that lithium battery fires are now the leading cause of fatal fires in New York City. “Private industry can take action that would immediately save lives,” Kavanagh said at a news conference a fatal fire site in Brooklyn on 13 November 2023.

But private industry is being "encouraged" (coerced?) by progressive government to rapidly adopt EVs in order to, you know, save the planet. That's not the same as saving lives. That whole "If you want to make an omelet ..." thingy.
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This has what to do with EV's? Different battery type made very cheaply in China. Real data tells the TRUE story:

"However, while the media does seem to be filled with stories of electric cars catching on fire, the truth is that electric vehicle fires are quite rare. In fact, electric vehicle fires are so rare that statistics show internal combustion engine (ICE) cars are 20 TO 80 TIMES more likely to catch fire compared to EVs".

[Brian R Adams]

This has what to do with EV's?

E-bikes are EVs.
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[Vic Skirmants]

This has what to do with EV's?

E-bikes are EVs.
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+1 And internal combustion engine fires are easier to extinguish.

[Larry Brooks]

Pardon me Electric Cars, which is what we were talking about, I'm surprised you didn't include electric scooters and Samsung phones too. Technology will keep advancing leaving ICE vehicles as principal means of transportation behind, just like its predecessor the horse. Want it, like it or not - it's going to happen. However, ICE vehicles will still be around for many years, but in specialized areas and for hobbyists as time goes on.

My great, great grand parents and great grand parents made a very good living catching, buying, training and selling horses and equine related equipment for transportation. My Grandfather saw the handwriting on the wall and chose a different career path around 1920. A very wise choice in retrospect. But at the time he was ridiculed by some of his siblings and peers who sited, among other things, the lack of reliability and unavailability of gasoline in many areas. Of course, within a few years gas stations were everywhere (remind you of anything?) and cars kept advancing technologically. He did keep horses into the 1950's and during rationing in WW2 he was glad he did since they lived several miles from the closest town. My father even rode a horse to school along with his siblings and several of his friends. But the horses were mostly pets by then. And for hobbyists.

[Jon Bunin]

And horse fires are also easier to extinguish.

[C J Murray]

And horse fires are also easier to extinguish.

[David Jones]

Horse fires are easy to extinguish but horse fuel is a different matter. Horse fuel also has a disturbing characteristic where it self combusts if not properly prepared before storage. It is also very heavy to move around when packed for use and needs high volume storage. Horses and horse fuel are expensive to own and horses are higher maintenance than electric or ICE powered forms of transport. Trust me I have experience with all three.

[Jon Bunin]

David is obviously being paid by big oil corporations to spread disinformation about horse fuel.

[Martin Benade]

Back to horses during WW2, my parents sometimes ate horse meat as it was more available than beef.

[Dan Macdonald]

Back to horses during WW2, my parents sometimes ate horse meat as it was more available than beef.

Martin,
In Belgium, and probably elsewhere in Europe, they still eat horse meat. It's available at many butcher shops and grocery stores.

[Larry Brooks]

Several years ago I saw horse meat for sale in Tuscany. I mentioned it to the group at our villa and most of them didn't believe me. But when I grilled some beef a couple nights later none of them would touch it until I dug the wrapper out of the garbage that showed them that it was beef.

[Brian R Adams]

Several years ago I saw horse meat for sale in Tuscany. I mentioned it to the group at our villa and most of them didn't believe me. But when I grilled some beef a couple nights later none of them would touch it until I dug the wrapper out of the garbage that showed them that it was beef.

I'd always heard it was widely popular in France. Belgium make sense, I suppose, as French is spoken there by 89% of them (40% as their primary language.)

I'm curious why so many are revolted by horse meat. Stand a living horse and cow next to each other; pat them, smell them. Look at what they both eat. What makes a cow seem palatable but not a horse? I suppose it's anthropomorphism, assigning them human attributes. Or the fact that they're perceived as pets.
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