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Replaced coil - now engine idles at 2500 rpm !?

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 12:14 pm
by JohnLiles
I posted a while back about difficulty with hot start on my 356A , engine is a 1600 Super with Zenith carbs . I thought that the issue was not getting enough throttle opening , as during my brief period of ownership the car seemed to need an open throttle for hot starts . When I checked the throttle linkage I found a lot of slack ( 10mm or almost half inch) in the wire loop at the pivot under front end of gearbox , thought that was the issue.

After a bit of messing around the car would not start at all whether hot or cold and turned out there was no spark at the plugs . I tested the coil and it was open circuit on the secondary , so got a replacement new coil ( Bosch 6 volt from Bosch in Germany ..but made in Brasil ). Fitted it , still no spark . Eventually traced the problem to another open circuit, this time on the 'king' ignition cable connecting coil to distributor . Replace that...bingo ....car starts no problem.

However.....once the engine is warmed up by a 6 mile drive , the tickover revs rise to 2500 , you can drive along without touching the accelerator pedal.

I checked the linkage and made sure the transverse harness rod at the fan shroud was not under tension and there was free play / slack in the wire loop at the pivot under front end of gearbox . The linkage is not under tension , there is some slack in the linkage , and the tickover when hot is still 2500 rpm


I have made no changes or adjustments to the carburettors , not touched the idle adjustment stop screws , not touched any idle mixture settings , not played around with timing or distributor , all that has changed is a new coil and a good connecting lead from coil to distributor .


Before I embark on changing anything I thought I would post here for any useful insight to this mystery .

The simple action would appear to be to screw out the idle adjustment stop screws on each side to drop from 2500 to 1000 and use my trusty SK airflow meter to balance the airflow on each side at idle.....however the SK is designed for air passage diameters between 45 and 55 mm , the Zeniths are at 60mm so waiting a few days for an adapter to arrive by post before I can start !!

Re: Replaced coil - now engine idles at 2500 rpm !?

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 12:44 pm
by David Jones
Do a tune up, it will not harm anything and can only improve things. Make your own Zenith adapter. Large washer with thin rubber sheet on one side.
Here's mine.

Re: Replaced coil - now engine idles at 2500 rpm !?

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 12:47 pm
by Wes Bender
Is that hole as small as it looks, David?

Re: Replaced coil - now engine idles at 2500 rpm !?

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:30 pm
by David Jones
Maybe 3/4 inch. Big enough to get more air than required with no load.

Re: Replaced coil - now engine idles at 2500 rpm !?

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:30 pm
by Martin Benade
As a first step I’d unsnap the linkage down rods at the carburetors when it’s warm to see if it drops down in speed. That will tell you if it’s a linkage or a carburetor adjustment needed.

Re: Replaced coil - now engine idles at 2500 rpm !?

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:29 pm
by John Clarke
Dizzy Spring sticking and not allowing return to Idle?
Jay

Re: Replaced coil - now engine idles at 2500 rpm !?

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:08 pm
by Graeme Langford
Hi John, Pre Holland one of the jobs we did was to fit new return springs on the Zeniths. The originals had been stretched a little. The new springs did not have enough tension in them and it hung the throttle open. Put the old springs on and all was well. Worth checking along with Martin and John's suggestion

Re: Replaced coil - now engine idles at 2500 rpm !?

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:18 pm
by JohnLiles
Martin Benade was right ! Throttle linkage pulling on one side . Thanks !

Re: Replaced coil - now engine idles at 2500 rpm !?

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:17 pm
by Martin Benade
Thanks for wrapping up the story, and glad you got it figured out.

Re: Replaced coil - now engine idles at 2500 rpm !?

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:05 pm
by Wes Bender
There's a troubleshooting lesson here. When you have a problem, analyze what it was that you last did before the problem occurred. I don't mean this as criticism John, so please do not take it that way. Many times I have been tinkering with a car and some little thing I did caused a seemingly unrelated problem that nearly drove me bonkers until I went back through my previous steps and found the cause.

Re: Replaced coil - now engine idles at 2500 rpm !?

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:15 pm
by Jim Liberty
And, only do one (1) thing at a time, and test the results each time. If you don't, you'll never know what the real problem was. .........Jim.

Re: Replaced coil - now engine idles at 2500 rpm !?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:12 pm
by Brian R Adams
JohnLiles wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:18 pm Throttle linkage pulling on one side . Thanks !
John, wouldn't that be "pushing" on one side?
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Re: Replaced coil - now engine idles at 2500 rpm !?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:25 pm
by Martin Benade
I agree but those were not my words.

Re: Replaced coil - now engine idles at 2500 rpm !?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:34 pm
by Brian R Adams
Martin Benade wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:25 pm I agree but those were not my words.
Oops. How'd I manage that?
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Re: Replaced coil - now engine idles at 2500 rpm !?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:36 pm
by David Jones
One side would be pulling and the other side pushing. Make your choice.