vin number dilemma

[Jay Darlington]

Somewhere along the way a state inspector could not tell a "3" from an "8"

Alan, that could be very posible. i think this is going to be my argument when i go into battle with the DMV. the DMV here can be, i can't say it here but you know what i mean.
MANY, MANY THANKS IF IT WORKS !
Jay D.

[Jim Liberty]

Good Luck !!! There are specialists out there that can help for a fee. At least here in CA. You may get lucky with the DMV. ...................Jim.

[Martin Benade]

At least in Ohio the DMV of course is happiest if they can send you on your way with your chore not finished. And they write notes on the title in red to make sure a friendlier person next time doesn’t accidentally help you. Therefore I’d try my best shot the first time.

[Don Gale]

I'm not sure if this applies but I just had this discussion with an insurance broker last week. I titled my 356A in California in 1973 and have the original small pink slip with a coffee stain on it. I tried to renew the registration in 1980 but CA DMV said the VIN was no longer in their system. My insurance broker said no problem and her company could issue a "Surety Bond" to pacify the NM MVD. Not clear how that works, anyone else been down this path -- successfully?

[Dave Erickson]

Maybe the COA is in error. Might be worth getting a copy of the Kardex just to confirm.

[David Jones]

Jay, there should be 2 ID plates effectively. The one in front of the gas tank stamped into the sheet metal and the one riveted in place on the right side of the gas tank. If the one to the right of the gas tank is missing I believe they can be purchased as a blank plate but I know not from where.
Here is a picture of mine. Ideally I need a new one as this after 64 years is hard to read.

[Jay Darlington]

Jay For a built in 58 Normal engine range published is 68217-72468 per Brett's data as published by Stoddard https://www.stoddard.com/Werkstatte/bodyengineid/ Worst case scenario is you will have to jump a few hoops and have it inspected with your COA to get the title straightened out.

Thats my plan, go in and lay all my cards on the table.
Jay D.

[Jay Darlington]

Jay, there should be 2 ID plates effectively. The one in front of the gas tank stamped into the sheet metal and the one riveted in place on the right side of the gas tank. If the one to the right of the gas tank is missing I believe they can be purchased as a blank plate but I know not from where.
Here is a picture of mine. Ideally I need a new one as this after 64 years is hard to read.

David, i have all the data plates in position that match the stamped number by the spare tire. its just that my title vin doesn't match those numbers. i can see it now. the DMV person looks at all the documentation i have and his eyes roll back. he says looks like this car is stolen, picks up the phone and calls the sheriffs dept. it spirals down hill rapidly. could only happen at my local DMV
Jay D.

[Ron LaDow]

At least in Ohio the DMV of course is happiest if they can send you on your way with your chore not finished. And they write notes on the title in red to make sure a friendlier person next time doesn’t accidentally help you. [...]

Hard to believe the CA DMV has competition, but there it is.
The Speedster was titled to the engine number, which was really my heir's problem, not mine. Anyhow, being a nice guy, collected a COA which confirmed that engine in this chassis and rather than tempt fate with a CHP inspection, located a specialist firm (inspector knew where to look), ended up with a new title with the chassis number as the VIN. $150 from memory, avoiding the DMV is worth that and more.
"All Vehicle Registration", 916-739-8088 helped me. Gotta be an OR operation willing to make money from the OR DMV's incompetence; you might call; them to see.

[Ron LaDow]

[/quote]
[...}I can see it now. the DMV person looks at all the documentation i have and his eyes roll back. he says looks like this car is stolen, picks up the phone and calls the sheriffs dept. it spirals down hill rapidly. could only happen at my local DMV
Jay D.
[/quote]
See below; it is not a unique issue and it can be solved by your effort and/or your money. Choose the amounts either way.
In fact, I'd call Hagerty; they must have dealt with this multiple times.

[Jay Darlington]

[...}I can see it now. the DMV person looks at all the documentation i have and his eyes roll back. he says looks like this car is stolen, picks up the phone and calls the sheriffs dept. it spirals down hill rapidly. could only happen at my local DMV
Jay D.
[/quote]
See below; it is not a unique issue and it can be solved by your effort and/or your money. Choose the amounts either way.
In fact, I'd call Hagerty; they must have dealt with this multiple times.
[/quote] Ron i did explain this to Hagerty. in fact thats when i noticed that the numbers didn't match. he said it doesn't really mater we can use ether number. i said i want to get this straitened out and gave him the real vin number that was all that was said. i think i'm going to go in and look the beast right in the eye and see what happens worse is they could impound my car.

a couple years ago i was going to buy a vintage camp trailer, 200.00 to restore to tow behind my old school hot rod 31 chevy pickup. the person i was buying it from had a title but the person on the title was deceased, claimed to be a friend. there were no license plates and no visible vin where it was suppose to be, rusted away. so before i buy it i take the title down to the very nice people at the DNV, this is were the fun starts. i tell the lady the story and she gets this real grumpy look and tells me that i need to run this title and get a legal document saying so for the owners name in EVERY STATE that borders Oregon. the date on the title was 1952 70 years ago. so as she should have known no states have records that go back 70 years. next was i had to contact any surviving relatives. that was a no brainer as i came back and told her no survivors. next she said i NEED the plates, i explained that there were no plates, several times. then she said i want to see the vin number i told her the area where the vin is, is rusted badly, the hitch area. now i she she's getting angrier and with a raised voice she says bring it in. i explain its not really road worthy right now and that i don't want to put money into it if i can't buy it and get a title. she says get it road worthy or get a trailer to haul it on. i say thankyou and walk out and tell the seller I'm not interested anymore.
Jay D.

[Bill Lawless]

Not sure if it's the same in Oregon, but in Ma, and Vt they has a Vin Verification form that you filled out and went to your local police station and an officer Verified the VIN and signed the document. Bring that to the DMV. And If it is not road worthy, as one of mine wasn't, the officer came to my house..

Good Luck
-Bill

[Martin Benade]

Isn’t that form for verifying that the VIN matched the title? Ohio has one like that, mostly for out of state cars coming in.

[Bill Lawless]

It verifies that the VIN on the car matches the VIN on the Form, so when you go to the DMV you don't need the car with you and they can match it to the Title!!
Hmm, But now you need the Kardex to show the engine # is what is placed on the Title.. Wow, not sure how that will play out..

Again, Good luck.

[Spike Jones]

Jay,
Per the Kardex, my '58 cab was built 12/23/1957. VIN # 150121. You say the build date on yours is 2/11/1958 and VIN # is 150066.
So, yours was built over 2 months later and yet 55 vin #'s earlier than mine???????
Makes no sense, even given all I have read about how inconsistent Porsche was then.
Spike
P.S. Good luck in getting this resolved.