Third Brake Light
- Eric McKinley
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Third Brake Light
I am considering placing a third brake light onto my C car.
I have seen a few images online with regards to placement, above the rear window, on one or both rear deck grills.
A number of years back a company called "the Lleryn" made these, a very nice product, however this gentleman has now passed away.
Can anyone advise what they are using and where they got them, pictures installed would be helpful also.
Many Thanks.
I have seen a few images online with regards to placement, above the rear window, on one or both rear deck grills.
A number of years back a company called "the Lleryn" made these, a very nice product, however this gentleman has now passed away.
Can anyone advise what they are using and where they got them, pictures installed would be helpful also.
Many Thanks.
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Re: Third Brake Light
Hi Eric, The obvious reason you are thinking of this is to protect yourself from being rear-ended. I have followed many 356's with the third brake light(s) buried under the engine grill(s) and while it is a clever solution it is not easily seen by following drivers. And having your engin grill area light up in red is not an intuitive signal to following drivers - as one once commented to me that he thought it was just to show off.
If you are doing this for protection place whatever light you settle on at the top of your rear window, which is where the driving public expects to see a third brake light. I have a Lleryn and it works well especially since since it can be programmed to blink a number of times before going to solid red. I didn't know they are no longer available, so based on my good experience if you can only get a single action light chose one that continuously flashes for best viability to alert following drivers.
Jeff
If you are doing this for protection place whatever light you settle on at the top of your rear window, which is where the driving public expects to see a third brake light. I have a Lleryn and it works well especially since since it can be programmed to blink a number of times before going to solid red. I didn't know they are no longer available, so based on my good experience if you can only get a single action light chose one that continuously flashes for best viability to alert following drivers.
Jeff
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- Dave Wildrick
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Re: Third Brake Light
I bought a couple of Lereyn 3rd brake lights years ago from Jack Biersdorff. The one that hangs from the rear window rubber seal has LEDs that are too small and wimpy to be seen very well, and the angle is hard to adjust to point to the rear correctly. The other Lereyn light I mounted with Velcro high up in the center of the rain shield under the rear grills, but it also had LEDs that were too small and as others point out was only visible directly behind the car but not to either side. Currently, the best choice for a 6V rear window 3rd brake light (that’s still being sold) appears to be this one, which has 32 LEDs and is 12 inches long, mounting with suction cups or adhesive dots:
One Foot Long w/ 32 LEDs, 5/8in high, 7/8 in deep, suction cup or adhesive mount 3rd brake light: Price was $49.95 in 2006; current price not shown on web site
http://www.jandlenterprise.com/products ... ighter.htm
BTW, I now use a pair of 911 red rear fog lights mounted at the top of my Lietz luggage rack (rather than any of the above) as extra highly visible brake/signal lights.
One Foot Long w/ 32 LEDs, 5/8in high, 7/8 in deep, suction cup or adhesive mount 3rd brake light: Price was $49.95 in 2006; current price not shown on web site
http://www.jandlenterprise.com/products ... ighter.htm
BTW, I now use a pair of 911 red rear fog lights mounted at the top of my Lietz luggage rack (rather than any of the above) as extra highly visible brake/signal lights.
Dave Wildrick
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Re: Third Brake Light
I think Dave has found an excellent option. I see a price of U.S. $60.00 plus shipping. There are options for the brackets as well. I may well get one of these to replace my present light.
I considered the type of setup that Dave has, but since I use the luggage rack for road trips my suit case (when it stays with me and doesn't fall off) blocks lights that are attached to the rack, which is why my choice is something at the top of the rear window.
I will add that I have sourced the signal for the high mounted light from the brake light switch at the master cylinder rather that from the car's brake light circuit. This gives me a redundancy for the brake lights.
Jeff
I considered the type of setup that Dave has, but since I use the luggage rack for road trips my suit case (when it stays with me and doesn't fall off) blocks lights that are attached to the rack, which is why my choice is something at the top of the rear window.
I will add that I have sourced the signal for the high mounted light from the brake light switch at the master cylinder rather that from the car's brake light circuit. This gives me a redundancy for the brake lights.
Jeff
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- Eric McKinley
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Re: Third Brake Light
Jeffrey,
Yes, I am starting to think about the safety aspect with regards to fitting a third brake light.
I am expecting drivers getting up close to see what type of car it is and missing the brake lights.
Dave, i would probably fit it in the rear window myself, the car is a 12 volt, I just need to source someone selling a suitable looking light which could be mounted in this location.
Lleryn produced a really nice one as you know with the full instructions on where to place the wiring.
Yes, I am starting to think about the safety aspect with regards to fitting a third brake light.
I am expecting drivers getting up close to see what type of car it is and missing the brake lights.
Dave, i would probably fit it in the rear window myself, the car is a 12 volt, I just need to source someone selling a suitable looking light which could be mounted in this location.
Lleryn produced a really nice one as you know with the full instructions on where to place the wiring.
- Eric McKinley
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Re: Third Brake Light
Dave,
I just had a look at the website you supplied, this could definitely be the one.
They appear to flash also when indicating, a nice touch.
The supply brackets also for slanted rear windscreens.
I just had a look at the website you supplied, this could definitely be the one.
They appear to flash also when indicating, a nice touch.
The supply brackets also for slanted rear windscreens.
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Re: Third Brake Light
Eric,
I was at the Hill Country Rallye in Kerrville, TX last month and saw a different third brake light. A fresh Blue Notchback from Austin, TX had converted the Backup light to a brake light. Although I had never considered this in the past because or the low position it seems to me a good use of a seldom used light. On one of the drives at Kerrville I was behind this car for a long way and was impressed. The 12v system and LED
bulbs helped.
Jim Learmonth
65C Coupe
Houston, TX
I was at the Hill Country Rallye in Kerrville, TX last month and saw a different third brake light. A fresh Blue Notchback from Austin, TX had converted the Backup light to a brake light. Although I had never considered this in the past because or the low position it seems to me a good use of a seldom used light. On one of the drives at Kerrville I was behind this car for a long way and was impressed. The 12v system and LED
bulbs helped.
Jim Learmonth
65C Coupe
Houston, TX
- Eric McKinley
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Re: Third Brake Light
Jim,
I like the idea of that also possibly combined with the higher light, did he change the colour of the glass on the light.
I like the idea of that also possibly combined with the higher light, did he change the colour of the glass on the light.
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Re: Third Brake Light
Eric,
The glass remained clear. I think he had a red LED. I was surprised at how well that showed.
Jim
The glass remained clear. I think he had a red LED. I was surprised at how well that showed.
Jim
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Re: Third Brake Light
My set up is similar to Dave’s. If you don’t have a luggage rack you could make some spacers with tubes and long bolts to attach to the existing rack mount holes and bolt a bar across the top of the grills. As has been mentioned in some of the other third brake light threads, putting a mechanical switch on the brake pedal arm gives you a quicker activation and redundancy from the hydraulic switch. You can also run that circuit on 12 V if you have a converter and not mess with the 6 V brake light circuit. J
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Re: Third Brake Light
I fitted one of these, https://www.ebay.ie/itm/6v-6-Volt-Clear ... 2090182230
I ran the lead forward to the brake cylinder and it works well.
I ran the lead forward to the brake cylinder and it works well.
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Re: Third Brake Light
I have been considering one of these.
https://www.brakelighter.com/category-s/100.htm
https://www.brakelighter.com/category-s/100.htm
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Re: Third Brake Light
Nice find Tom. Defiantly putting a split dual 3rd brake light blinker combo in my car up high in the back window.
I have had 3 cars totaled from being rear ended and all 3 were while sitting at a red light.
So I'm kinda paranoid about being rear ended again
I have had 3 cars totaled from being rear ended and all 3 were while sitting at a red light.
So I'm kinda paranoid about being rear ended again
- Eric McKinley
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Re: Third Brake Light
Tom,
That is the same company that Dave has highlighted.
They are a nice looking set up.
I have ordered one with the bracket for use in the rear window.
That is the same company that Dave has highlighted.
They are a nice looking set up.
I have ordered one with the bracket for use in the rear window.
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Re: Third Brake Light
The 356 Vendor list includes the Lereyn Company, now associated with Jack Biersdorf: http://lereyn.blogspot.com/
Mark Sabbann
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