Time to restore my 356 notchback

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David Aronson
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback

#31 Post by David Aronson »

The original engine has a broken crank. I have two engines that are correct numbers for my car year, one a super that has sat for all the years that the car was storred, the other, a completw and newly rebuilt normal. Both are complete. My plan is to clean up the normal and install it. I will rebuild the super with a new counter weighted crank, 912 rods and new cylinder and piston kit. I have webers on that one. The original case has a crack so am sending it down south for repairs. If salvageabe, i'll rebuild it one day. Yes, lucky to be in california. Up north, we don't. Have all the resources that the south state enjoy but i am slowly finding talented and experienced help.
Hope your New Year is great. Whats new with your project.
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback

#32 Post by steverestelli »

My notch looks nearly original as it was restored 40 years ago and spent its life in a temperature controlled museum in Arizona. It has all the original rust free body components except for a twin grill deck lid on it back in 1972.
When I got it back after 40 years, I built a 115-20 hp 1965 C engine that looks like a super. Has lots of internal goodies and can do 80 in 3rd gear.
My project car is my 1994 968 coupe, which is rarer that my 1961 notchback as there were only 700 built that year. It is an everyday driver and I take it out to Porsche functions when the weather is wet or I don't want to rack up the miles on the 356.
The Porsche 968 is a bargain car to find and tuck away as 12 grand will get you a nice and extremely rare Porsche with 240 hp. This will change soon, IMO as they are perfectly balanced cars, and hard to find a coupe.....most survivors seem to be 968 cabriolets.
1961 356B T5 Karmann Hardtop #200279 Sports Coupe named "Carmine"
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback

#33 Post by David Aronson »

Waiting for metal parts and then to the metal shop for panel replacements. Meantime just perfecting the ledge that the new floorboards will be spot welded to.
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filling some very small rust through. Vey lucky not very many were revealed by stripping process.
filling some very small rust through. Vey lucky not very many were revealed by stripping process.
perfecting rim that floor will attach to.
perfecting rim that floor will attach to.
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback

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Trying a heat sink held below the flange to prevent burning holes. Getting a copper plate as this plate, 3/8 in, liked to weld to the flange a few times.
My wiring harness is on it's way from Germany. Ordered an extra wire for an electrical tac sending unit. Having my tach guage modified. Plan to have the full flow oil filter on the engine.. Also an extra wire to the license plate holder, for LED brake and running lights. Planning forward.
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback

#35 Post by Jim Hardie »

Hi, David, All..

David, please consider joining us.... visit www.356CAR.org There is a wealth of info, help and inspiration with this group.... Great meeting each month in San Mateo, Sacramento (regularly 50-70 folks and bring your wife! and other locations....). If you come to Sacto, plan on spending part of the afternoon with us and we will do 'garage tours!'

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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback

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Beginning metal phase. Floor boards in progress. Plan to finish this week and then to John Holden up in Shingle Springs for an in depth metal panel replacement session. Complete front end, left full fender and the front trunk inner panels. Will update with pictures of the new metal prior to sectioning off old stuff.
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74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
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64 VW coupe
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback

#37 Post by steverestelli »

Looking good David !
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback

#38 Post by David Aronson »

Transmission back from Ron's Transaxle service in San Pablo. Looks good, 1YR warranty from time transmission is put back into use...Nice touch. Look at all the parts that needed replacement. Some were OK but since we were re-manufacturing this unit, we opted to be thourough.
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Typical cracks in differential.  Too bad these couldn't be welded....Why not? Anyone?  I know it is cast but why not?
Typical cracks in differential. Too bad these couldn't be welded....Why not? Anyone? I know it is cast but why not?
REMOVED AND REPLACED...Ring and pinion, differential, all bearings, all bushings, all shims that were worn or shredded, all synchro parts, thrust fixture, clutch fork, and on and on..
REMOVED AND REPLACED...Ring and pinion, differential, all bearings, all bushings, all shims that were worn or shredded, all synchro parts, thrust fixture, clutch fork, and on and on..
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83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
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09 Carrera S
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback

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Found a picture of me working on the spun bearing motor, circa 1970.
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In the basement, working on my pride and joy.  1970
In the basement, working on my pride and joy. 1970
61 Karmann Notchback 200831
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.

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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback

#40 Post by steverestelli »

Love the Budweiser advertising sign. That old metal barrel works well too.
:)
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback

#41 Post by David Aronson »

I started an engine today (spare). Fabricated an adapter to mount the starter flange to my engine stand. Works real nice with very little vibration. This engine runs well. Kind of a proof in concept for engine stand. Allows for perfecting the engines tune prior to install.. We are waiting for a front fender from Trevor at the hammer works...Hoping he gets to it soon. No one knows of a left (drivers) front fender, T5 1961. This motor will be a spare as it is not the no. match. More on the original motor later
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74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
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64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.

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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback

#42 Post by steverestelli »

I am guessing the black fan housing is for a 1600 normal ?
My car has a 1600 super and is grey.
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#43 Post by David Aronson »

Yes, it's an N.
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09 Carrera S
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback

#44 Post by David Aronson »

Hello all,
Trevor (Trevor's Hammerworks) delivered our drivers side fender a few weeks ago and now the process begins to replace sheetmetal and inner substructure on the nose of the notchback. Pictures from the beginning of that process. Replacing the entire battery floor, front lower and upper inner panel and drivers side of trunk, complete nose (a real, NOS supplied by our friend Ted Blake at Blake's Restorations, 916455-5010 · 2701 21st St Sacramento, CA 95818. He was kind enough to let it go, had been planning to use it on one of his personal cars but he liked me soooo much he let it go for my project. What a guy!! The front trunk floor was also replaced due to a wrinkle from prior collisions. It is all coming together, slowly, but progress every day. I could not be happier with the help I have gotten from John Holden (Holden Sheetmetal, 530-677-4168) in Shingle Springs. He knows his stuff
and is very kind to take time with me and the project.
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Getting ready to fit the nose shell and size the hood.
Getting ready to fit the nose shell and size the hood.
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John Holden fitting Trevor's new fender.  What an ourstanding job Trevor did on that metal.
John Holden fitting Trevor's new fender. What an ourstanding job Trevor did on that metal.
splicing of the inner side of trunk to avoid going back into the complex area in rear of fender.
splicing of the inner side of trunk to avoid going back into the complex area in rear of fender.
You will see that the original vin number has been transplanted into the original spot on the replacement floor of the trunk.
You will see that the original vin number has been transplanted into the original spot on the replacement floor of the trunk.
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NOS front nose from Ted Blake.  the real thing makes things fit like no other would
NOS front nose from Ted Blake. the real thing makes things fit like no other would
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74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
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64 VW coupe
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback

#45 Post by David Aronson »

Some more pictures of our project on the notchback. You can see we are adjusting panels and still need a bit of work to get the good gaps perfect. A work in progress..After the correction of the prior repair work and damage control that was done without reguard to accepted practices for this breed of automobile, we will begin painting. I have decided to go with the very rare but original to this car, Condor Yellow. I have not seen any cars with this color yet. If you have an example I would like to see a picture. There was plenty of original paint found to see that it has a bit of orange in it...
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Trevor's fender in place
Trevor's fender in place
getting close
getting close
battery box spotted in, final fitting of parts to match hood and other parts
battery box spotted in, final fitting of parts to match hood and other parts
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drivers side inner trunk panel, spotted in place.
drivers side inner trunk panel, spotted in place.
Removal of lead.  the panels will be moved via removal, rewelding or using hammer and dolly to bring to correct level.  Since the early notchbacks were a hybrid of parts, cab body with fixed hardtop welded on, there is quite a bit of lead to fill in gaps.  This will take hours of work to make right.  John doesnt want lead under the paint.
Removal of lead. the panels will be moved via removal, rewelding or using hammer and dolly to bring to correct level. Since the early notchbacks were a hybrid of parts, cab body with fixed hardtop welded on, there is quite a bit of lead to fill in gaps. This will take hours of work to make right. John doesnt want lead under the paint.
61 Karmann Notchback 200831
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.

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