Time to restore my 356 notchback

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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback

#16 Post by ryan base »

hi david nice car. i like how straight the body is. aged yes but not bruised. case, crank and trans. those are going to be your big hurdles. you have to be willing to invest the money. your focus on the other mechanicals makes sense. be patient

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#17 Post by David Aronson »

Well I have made some discoveries, rust as yo would expect. I am looking for a metal shop in california, preferably northern but will travel. I am concerned about the rust and plan to have the entire care blasted and then drag the thing to a shop for a complete redue.
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#18 Post by steverestelli »

Please continue to update this thread as you make progress. I love your story, and you will really enjoy that magic moment when you get in and drive it again after 35 years.
You had the foresight to save your car for a reason.
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#19 Post by David Aronson »

Thanks again for your support Steve
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback

#20 Post by Hermage Coward »

Hello David,

Nice car and it will come out nice. Just to let you know I own and drive notchback # 200841.

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#21 Post by David Aronson »

Hello Hermage,
You should list yours on the registry. Steve Restelli has the ability to add it. Tell me more about it...any pics?
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#22 Post by steverestelli »

200 841 is on the list already, but I know nothing about the car...... colors, build date, trans#, condition or location? If you provide me with details about the car Hermage, I can add this information to the survivor list.
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#23 Post by David Aronson »

Well, making progress...Completely disassembled and on the car carrier. Spent most of my time designing and fabricating the attachments and carrier. Have found it an interesting process. I made the mistake of starting this project without any restoration resources, no maintenance manuals. Ordered the whole bunch from Harry's site but it is taking a while to get here. I have been using the registry and it has been very helpful.

Next, on the trailer on Thanksgiving, then to Ted Blake in Sacramento to have the floorboards looked at and arrange to have the floorboards R&Rd. Have a nice Thanksgiving everyone. For the project pictures go to.....
https://www.flickr.com/groups/2836577@N24/
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went to EASY yard in Oakland, found a trans. mount for 50bucks, fabricated a system to raise and lower on car carrier.
went to EASY yard in Oakland, found a trans. mount for 50bucks, fabricated a system to raise and lower on car carrier.
this is the first Nut and cam to remove when disassembling the window mechanism in the T5 cab or notch.  See other pictures at:<br />https://www.flickr.com/gp/29227096@N02/5Z95H5
this is the first Nut and cam to remove when disassembling the window mechanism in the T5 cab or notch. See other pictures at:
https://www.flickr.com/gp/29227096@N02/5Z95H5
Whats in the door.
Whats in the door.
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74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
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09 Carrera S
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#24 Post by David Aronson »

Project is up on the trailer for trip to metal shop
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61 Karmann Notchback 200831
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.

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#25 Post by steverestelli »

Looks like your off to a great start. Thanks for the update.
My notchback was originally "royal blue". After I sold my car in 1973 it was never registered and raced for a year. It was pretty banged up, but never had any rust. The the car was bought and restored in 1974 by the fellow who kept it until 2013 and if you ever require reference photographs of something, just let me know. I also have original parts and maintenance manuals.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
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#26 Post by David Aronson »

Thanks Steve, I will send more pictures as progress in metal work is made. Have a peaceful Thanksgiving to you and yours as well!
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74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
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64 VW coupe
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#27 Post by David Aronson »

Have the floorboards out, preserved the flange with the help of Ted Blake's. Now off to the stripper. Then paint. While this is going on I am having small parts renewed. I will start bringing pictures of these items as I finish them. otherwise all the project pics are at: https://www.flickr.com/gp/29227096@N02/6Ar91U
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Now off to the stripper!
Now off to the stripper!
The floorboards are gone!
The floorboards are gone!
Bolt/washer and parts identified for wind wing and door hardware
Bolt/washer and parts identified for wind wing and door hardware
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74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
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64 VW coupe
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#28 Post by David Aronson »

Car is at stripper. They have started on the underside, no rust except the door rear vertical seal rail. Damage was front end. Pretty rough but nothing serious. Love seeing all that straight metal. May need a nose for this....
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Doors, hood, deck and bumpers all rust free and straight
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95 993
09 Carrera S
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64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.

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#29 Post by David Aronson »

Incidentally, Vic Skirmants was 100% correct in identifying the metal fragments on the magnetic drain plug from the tranny.
He was also correct in saying, "not good". Now I need to find ring and pinon as well as a new differential housing. Cracked. Everything else looks good, no wear but all bearings, synchro will be freshened. Luck to have found Ron's Transaxles in San Rafael. He has all the tools and plenty of experience.
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74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
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64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.

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#30 Post by steverestelli »

Great progress David. Being in California is a huge advantage for resources. There are more Porsche's there than any other place in the USA I can think of.
How is the motor? Have you done anything with it yet?
1961 356B T5 Karmann Hardtop #200279 Sports Coupe named "Carmine"
2nd & 4th Owner of this car 1970-73 found again on Ebay in 2013 & bought it back 128K miles
 

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