Outlaw Engine Choices
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Outlaw Engine Choices
Today's Dana Point Concours left me thinking about the engine choice for my new Outlaw.
Orginal 356 engine (modified performance)
Type IV (Aircooled Technology has a nice one)
911 Four cylinder (Polopolus engine)
Thoughts?
Orginal 356 engine (modified performance)
Type IV (Aircooled Technology has a nice one)
911 Four cylinder (Polopolus engine)
Thoughts?
- Bill Sargent
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Re: Outlaw Engine Choices
Original 356 motor modified for performance $12K to over $20K, assuming you have a motor to start with. Type 4 - Under $10K, but not a Porsche. Polo Motor - minimum $30K. Pick your price point.
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Bill Sargent
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Re: Outlaw Engine Choices
Thanks Bill. The Polo motor sounds amazing. Has anyone had one? Is it worth it?
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Re: Outlaw Engine Choices
Kevin,
The Emorys have used many in their outlaws over the years (http://www.emorymotorsports.com/home/77?task=view) . Justin Rio on the projects page has a thread about restoring his carrera and he is using a very high spec Polo motor in it. Or you can go to Dean Polopolus's web page, (http://www.advanceperformanceeng.com/about_us) look at the photos and give Dean a call. He is a very nice guy.
The Emorys have used many in their outlaws over the years (http://www.emorymotorsports.com/home/77?task=view) . Justin Rio on the projects page has a thread about restoring his carrera and he is using a very high spec Polo motor in it. Or you can go to Dean Polopolus's web page, (http://www.advanceperformanceeng.com/about_us) look at the photos and give Dean a call. He is a very nice guy.
Regards,
Bill Sargent
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#159176 64C Cab
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Re: Outlaw Engine Choices
You wont get a Raby Type IV for under $10K, I've just had one built, but unfortunately the rest of the car isn't ready yet so it may be some time until I can post my opinions. I would have loved a Polo motor - MNO
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Re: Outlaw Engine Choices
There's always the Type 1 VW engine.
2180cc 180hp.
2180cc 180hp.
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Re: Outlaw Engine Choices
I had done the Type I (2276cc) and loved it. Could always return the car back to stock, totally reversible.
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Thanks Cameron. Let me know when you get it running. I plan to call Raby soon to talk about options. I think his engine is closer to 15K. Also plan on calling Polopolus although it seems that the 911/4 will be closer to $28K. Unfortunately, MNO is not in the picture, there is a budget...but if it is worth it, I would rather wait for the Polo.
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Re: Outlaw Engine Choices
Glenn, that is a nice Type I...but I had a VW and need a change.
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Talk to Jake, he can build you anything you want. just be prepared to pay and wait for it... he's got a few months backlog on projects.
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Re: Outlaw Engine Choices
taking nothing away from mr. raby, building a great type IV engine does not require $10k+, especially if you would like to keep stock 914 fuel injection - you should be able to build a 2056cc stock fuel injection engine in the $5-7k range (120hp) , and if you want carbs, you can change the cam, increase displacement, get higher compression pistons (keith black seems to be most recommended) and get in the 140-160 hp range - one problem with the type IV in a 356 is its look (no problem in an outlaw), custom tin fitting, and custom exhaust/heat exchanger work - See, http://www.tangerineracing.com/616Headers.htm - this stuff can get real pricey -
check out tlg auto in socal - tony and his son marco built an awesome 356 with a type IV engine, which was featured in excellence a few years ago - they also used a swb early 911 rear suspension and a 901 gear box - i have spoken with both of them (fellow r gruppe members) and i think they built their type IV 140-160 hp engine in the $5k range - check out - http://www.tlgauto.com/about
if you are going to spend big money, you may notice that dollar for hp, a 911 engine could be a great choice - again, you will have a lot of issues to address in the install, but getting over 200hp with a 911 engine (especially on a 78-89 engine) is really a no brainer - again, emory would be a great resource for this
hope this helps - brad in seattle
check out tlg auto in socal - tony and his son marco built an awesome 356 with a type IV engine, which was featured in excellence a few years ago - they also used a swb early 911 rear suspension and a 901 gear box - i have spoken with both of them (fellow r gruppe members) and i think they built their type IV 140-160 hp engine in the $5k range - check out - http://www.tlgauto.com/about
if you are going to spend big money, you may notice that dollar for hp, a 911 engine could be a great choice - again, you will have a lot of issues to address in the install, but getting over 200hp with a 911 engine (especially on a 78-89 engine) is really a no brainer - again, emory would be a great resource for this
hope this helps - brad in seattle
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Re: Outlaw Engine Choices
Jake's wife's Super Beetle has around 220hp and A/C.B K wrote:taking nothing away from mr. raby, building a great type IV engine does not require $10k+, especially if you would like to keep stock 914 fuel injection - you should be able to build a 2056cc stock fuel injection engine in the $5-7k range (120hp)
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Re: Outlaw Engine Choices
I built an inexpensive 2.1-liter 914/Type 4 engine recently (nearly stock, just a nice cam) and loved Raby's upright fan housing conversion. I used Bosch pressure-sensor fuel injection, but just for engine compartment aesthetics, I fabricated intake manifolds to accept 40-PII Solex carbs, which I'm using only for their throttle plates (and their factory aluminum-mesh air cleaners).
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Re: Outlaw Engine Choices
I vote for modified original. It completes the Porsche 356 experience. If you want an all out hot rod, buy an early 911!!!
Christian
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