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#1 Post by Ron LaDow » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:36 pm

A book on the Penske/Benz push-rod engine.
Not a lot of specific details regarding the engine, but a lot which can be inferred. More about how it was kept secret.
I certainly hoped for more about the engine (was it worth sacrificing balance for the 75* V?); only near the end was there mention of an interview with a Honda engineer who admitted they had worked on the CART engine base on F-1 data and had ignored how methanol burned compared to the high-octane dino-fuel used in F-1. Care to enlarge on that? Nope.
The book was written by a somewhat tech-savvy publicist rather than any of the engineers involved, and maybe there's an SAE paper on it which has yet come to light.
Still a good read with enough drawings to keep gear-heads involved.
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#2 Post by Ron LaDow » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:36 pm

Software guys...
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#3 Post by Ron LaDow » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:37 pm

...forgot to include...
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#4 Post by Ron LaDow » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:39 pm

If someone can tell me how do delete the copies, I'd be more than happy to.
How much did we pay for this software?
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#5 Post by Ron LaDow » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:39 pm

...a "delete' function.
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#6 Post by Ron LaDow » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:40 pm

Screw it...
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#7 Post by Vic Skirmants » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:37 am

Those Honda engineers are messing with you.

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#8 Post by David Jones » Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:21 am

Removed
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#9 Post by Ron LaDow » Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:55 am

David,
That worked once; now I get "edit", "report, or "reply with quote". No "delete".
Was this stuff done by the guy who gave us the bottom-sender gas tank?
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#10 Post by David Jones » Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:14 am

I managed to delete the body of my post as you can see Ron by putting one word in by "edit." Inputting nothing to remove the entire post resulted in a message saying there was insufficient content or some such.
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#11 Post by Ron LaDow » Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:11 am

David,
I knew that was a work-around, but in one case, I actually found a "cancel" tab, which has since disappeared.
Forget it; these guys aren't good enough to design a bottom-sender tank; they're responsible for the single-mount 741 trans!
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#12 Post by Vic Skirmants » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:48 am

Ron LaDow wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:11 am
David,
I knew that was a work-around, but in one case, I actually found a "cancel" tab, which has since disappeared.
Forget it; these guys aren't good enough to design a bottom-sender tank; they're responsible for the single-mount 741 trans!
I was just going to say single-mount 741 trans!

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#13 Post by Erik Thomas » Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:45 pm

Ron: I assume you are referencing the Mercedes Benz 500I 3.4 litre V8 built by Ilmor/Penske in 1994?

See Karl Ludvigsen's Classic Racing Engines page 210 . Peak power of 1,024 BHP @ 9,800RPM.

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#14 Post by Ron LaDow » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:31 pm

Erik Thomas wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:45 pm
Ron: I assume you are referencing the Mercedes Benz 500I 3.4 litre V8 built by Ilmor/Penske in 1994?
See Karl Ludvigsen's Classic Racing Engines page 210 . Peak power of 1,024 BHP @ 9,800RPM.
That's the engine, and that dyno result was shown, with qualifications. While Ludvigsen's a good writer, I'm looking for more than a page, and his 'popularizations' can be facile; he spends no more than a couple of pages on the Ferrari Colombo engines in his book on V-12s, 1500cc to 4.5L. Weak tea.
This books isn't bad, but it's simply not as good as it could be.
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#15 Post by Erik Thomas » Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:42 pm

Ron:

I agree, a few scant pages. Still, all I have been able to find out about that interesting engine. I was thinking about making a special cylinder head for a pre-war Mercedes engine, and was thinking about valve train geometry along those lines.

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