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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:19 am 
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Sent in the check and PoI for the C registration several days ago, but got a notification today that the registration is about to expire, and offering what I paid for a VW Squareback in '78 as compensation for the state to take it off the road.
For vintage cars, l would not let a registration expire, nor put a car on the 'inactive' roster for fear that some change that snuck through the legislature while I was attending to, oh, making a living which might make it difficult to re-register that car.
I have not yet seen such, but promise to spread the word if I do and ask others to do the same. I live in a state which is requiring cat-cons for cow farts; you'll forgive me if this sounds a bit paranoid.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:06 am 
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OK, I'm lost here. You're saying not to put a 356 in CA in non-op status in case you can't get it re-registered down the road?


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Jon Schmid wrote:
OK, I'm lost here. You're saying not to put a 356 in CA in non-op status in case you can't get it re-registered down the road?

I'm saying I suspect that will be the case soon enough that I would not do so now.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:05 am 
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Probably part of this program: http://www.cashforclunkers.org/californ ... s-program/

I'm with Ron. A car that you and I consider an historic, collectible car, might in the future be considered a "clunker" by some politician who only uses mass transit. I would definitely keep registration current.

There no doubt are some cars on the road that shouldn't be, but you can't throw everything older than (fill in the blank) into one pot.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:44 pm 
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Completely opposite experience here in France.
There are exemptions of traffic restrictions for cars registered as classics (carte grise collection), while cars over 20 years of age with a regular registration can no longer enter Paris from 8am to 8pm Monday through Friday.
Similarly, classics are only subject to a technical visit every 5 years, while cars over 4 years of age are subject to a visit every other year.
As well classics are exempt of "Impôt sur la Fortune" and import tax.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:03 am 
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Don't think any car worth between $50K and $600K will be considered a clunker, no matter how old.

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Wes Bender wrote:
Probably part of this program: http://www.cashforclunkers.org/californ ... s-program/

I'm with Ron. A car that you and I consider an historic, collectible car, might in the future be considered a "clunker" by some politician who only uses mass transit. I would definitely keep registration current.

There no doubt are some cars on the road that shouldn't be, but you can't throw everything older than (fill in the blank) into one pot.

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Wes this is what scares me about California. There is a move to get cars off the road and people into some sort of failed mass transit. I often wonder when the state will determine that cars older than some politician determined date should no longer be on the road and the state would then seize the car.

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Bob Kittel wrote:
Wes Bender wrote:
Probably part of this program: http://www.cashforclunkers.org/californ ... s-program/

I'm with Ron. A car that you and I consider an historic, collectible car, might in the future be considered a "clunker" by some politician who only uses mass transit. I would definitely keep registration current.

There no doubt are some cars on the road that shouldn't be, but you can't throw everything older than (fill in the blank) into one pot.

Cheers,
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Wes this is what scares me about California. There is a move to get cars off the road and people into some sort of failed mass transit. I often wonder when the state will determine that cars older than some politician determined date should no longer be on the road and the state would then seize the car.


Ultimately it is the specter of driverless cars that scares me and should anyone who actually likes to an active participant in life. HEard an interview with one of the designers and they posited the question, what is it that everyone wants? To simply enter a car and do nothing. And all I could think is that is the last thing I want. Once these things become the over whelming majority of the fleet look for laws banning people form actually not driving. It's coming sooner than you think.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:24 pm 
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Wes this is what scares me about California. There is a move to get cars off the road and people into some sort of failed mass transit. I often wonder when the state will determine that cars older than some politician determined date should no longer be on the road and the state would then seize the car.[/quote]

With all the lawyers out here in sunny (maybe not right now) CA I really don't think arbitrary property seizure will happen. Politicians (Dean Florez) have tried to have retro smog requirements put on old cars and even his own political party members here shot him down. It will be more an insidious issue like insurance that does us in here. :x


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:05 pm 
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I would leave CA before it secedes, they build a wall, and government oppression there gets worse. Less government good, more government bad, they know what is best for you, do not resist.



From my copious reading of car sites over the years I'd say CA is one of theeasiest states in which to own an old car. They will grant you title, smog stuff doesn't affect anything older than 1974... and who wants to own anything more recent than that? There are no annual inspections, if you buy a car without title its a breeze to get a new one, and I can drive my old cars 365. Yep, it's hell here, the rest of you better stay away.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:18 am 
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SEMA has sponsored legislation to raise awareness among legislators regarding special interest cars.
https://www.sema.org/rpm-bill-summary
I've heard of various proposed legislation over the years by well-meaning but uninformed legislators and organized lobbing efforts have been so far successful in protecting old collectible cars and other special interest vehicle activitiesl
I also agree with Dan - having lived almost forever in California, it is actually a fairly friendly state to the old car hobby, probably due to the large numbers of vocal voters with special interest cars.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:56 am 
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People who live outside CA are often confused by public policy there. Some of the actual policies do seem a bit radical. In reality it doesn't matter to us and our opinions are not important. I do believe that there are powerful CA constituencies that dislike any automobile or motorcycle and many other machines. They are also well aware that old vehicles are dirty and unsafe by modern standards. These people exist everywhere but they appear to have more power in CA. For this reason I would not assume immunity just because CA has a very large motorhead culture.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:05 pm 
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C J,

What are the powerful CA constituencies that dislike any automobile or motorcycle and many other machines... ?

Curious, because I live in California and see a lot of cars l, trucks, and motorcycles everywhere.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:15 am 
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Edwin Ek wrote:
C J,

What are the powerful CA constituencies that dislike any automobile or motorcycle and many other machines... ?

Curious, because I live in California and see a lot of cars l, trucks, and motorcycles everywhere.


I was referring to the general disposition of the hard left towards IC engines and pollution in general. CA is the most left leaning state in the country so it is a haven for groups that want the IC engine abolished. CA also has a strong car culture and a massive auto industry that has kept the tree huggers at bay so far, but for how long? Politicians love money and love to save us hence the large number of sin taxes they enact. It is easy for the left to justify taxes and other actions to make the world a better place. How dare you act in such a selfish and irresponsible fashion as to poison our air and drown us by melting our glaciers! As the auto industry realizes that cars with drivers cause accidents with their perfectly programmed autonomous cars then the auto industry will join forces with the politicians that they own and you can say goodbye to driving your classic car on public roads.

I wonder how many Californians will move to East California after the split? :P

CA is a great state though.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:17 am 
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Here is an example of good intentioned public policy gone amuck in the once great city of Detroit.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/view ... sp?id=1880

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