Germans vote to ban production of gas-powered cars
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Germans vote to ban production of gas-powered cars
Der Spiegel reports Germany's top governing body — the Bundesrat — voted to allow only zero-emission vehicles on roads in 14 years.
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Re: Germans vote to ban production of gas-powered cars
Good luck with that. By zero emission I guess they wont allow power plants that make emissions while producing power for electric cars.
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Re: Germans vote to ban production of gas-powered cars
Odds-on, this will be 'amended' before implementation...
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Re: Germans vote to ban production of gas-powered cars
OR, it will be a buying opportunity.
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Re: Germans vote to ban production of gas-powered cars
Look a little deeper; what the Bundesrat votes on is not necessarily law, it is only a strong recommendation. I am not sure why or how that works, but I do know it is not law as of now...
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Re: Germans vote to ban production of gas-powered cars
Also think further. It only bans production which means that gas powered cars will still be in the majority on the roads until they get replaced. That will take more than the rest of most of the lives of the already working work force.
If I had known I would live this long I would have pushed the envelope a little harder.
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Re: Germans vote to ban production of gas-powered cars
The Bundesrat represents the various stares in Germany and is not directly elected. It is also subordinate to the Bundestag, which is directly elected by the people, so they really aren't calling the shots. Also, currently 8% of Germany's GDP comes from the auto or directly related industries. If they were to follow through with the ban of everything but zero emission cars they would be shooting themselves in the foot and a lot of people would be losing jobs.
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Re: Germans vote to ban production of gas-powered cars
Not according to the story linked:David Jones wrote:It only bans production which means that gas powered cars will still be in the majority on the roads until they get replaced.
"Der Spiegel reports Germany's top governing body — the Bundesrat — voted to allow only zero-emission vehicles on roads in 14 years."
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Re: Germans vote to ban production of gas-powered cars
This discussion belongs in the off-topic section. Nonetheless, surely you realize that it is much easier to control emissions from a handful of stationary sources rather than mobile millions? Perhaps you don't know that Germany is a leader in solar power.C J Murray wrote:Good luck with that. By zero emission I guess they wont allow power plants that make emissions while producing power for electric cars.
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Re: Germans vote to ban production of gas-powered cars
Not saying much; they got ~6% of their power from solar. Germany has got to be one of the worst candidates for solar; too far north and oh, those German fogs!Edwin Ek wrote:Perhaps you don't know that Germany is a leader in solar power.
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Added by edit: George, I agree with Edwin; prolly ought to move to "off topic"? I guess we could argue the resale market for 356s in the thread, but that's straw-grasping...
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Re: Germans vote to ban production of gas-powered cars
Much to say about that, Ron. But only in the off-topic forum.
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Re: Germans vote to ban production of gas-powered cars
Solyndra.
Chevy Volt.
Billions $ government subsidies.
Continuous development efforts since 1800's, Ferdinand Porsche
.67%, point67% of the auto sales
14 year payback even after the taxpayer paid subsidy
battery disposal problems
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Chevy Volt.
Billions $ government subsidies.
Continuous development efforts since 1800's, Ferdinand Porsche
.67%, point67% of the auto sales
14 year payback even after the taxpayer paid subsidy
battery disposal problems
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... dd1f76ab20
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Re: Germans vote to ban production of gas-powered cars
Any idea what the subsidies are to the oil and gas industries? Which have gone on for 100 years?
Perhaps you think there are no untoward consequences to burning fossil fuels?
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Perhaps you think there are no untoward consequences to burning fossil fuels?
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Re: Germans vote to ban production of gas-powered cars
Until they create a battery that can be charged as fast as you can fill a gas tank electric cars will remain viable only as a second car.
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Eliminate all subsidies, I agree. Farm, oil, coal, everything. It will end up cheaper for the consumer when the payment goes directly from the consumer to the producer without the expensive middle man.
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