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Re: VW Mess

#61 Post by Brian R Adams » Thu Jan 07, 2016 2:54 pm

I prefer to look at a pullback in VW stock price as an upcoming buy opportunity. There's no doubt in my mind they will rebound - big.
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#62 Post by James Davies » Thu Jan 07, 2016 4:10 pm

C J Murray wrote:Funny though how [Piech] was in conflict with the other Porsche family members that caused his ouster whereafter he made it his life's work to take over Porsche. What a bio he has!
That will be a very interesting unauthorized biography to read when someone finally writes it. Porsche 906 through the 917. Audi Quattro. And then turning VW around and in the process revitalizing Lamborghini, Bugatti and Bentley. Very interesting.

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#63 Post by Brian R Adams » Thu Jan 07, 2016 4:53 pm

Piëch would have made a very effective U-boat commander.
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#64 Post by steverestelli » Wed Feb 03, 2016 1:51 am

Volkswagen Accused of Using Military Surplus Parts Allegedly From Nazi Germany

CBS BREAKING NEWS

http://cbsnews.com.co/volkswagen-accuse ... i-germany/


Wolfsburg, Germany – Last September the EPA issued a citation to the Volkswagen car company for violating the US Clean Air Act. After an investigation the EPA found that Volkswagen had falsified emission tests and that their cars, during real world driving, were producing over 40 times the legal amount of pollutants into the air (more than 240 O’Donnells according to the International Emission Standards & Practices). Ever since then, Volkswagen has attempted to play damage control in the midst of recalls and difficulties in brokering deals with advertisers. But things may have just gone from bad to wurst for the German car company.

According to Spiegel, a German news organization, consumers have been reporting that parts and pieces of their car are not only outdated but were made during Germany’s Nazi era. Several Volkswagen owners, while working on their vehicles, noticed Nazi style markings on various mechanical parts. One of the first owners to come forward was Frederich Bein who noticed the phenomenon while changing his oil. “When I first saw the swastika it was a bit surprising as you can imagine. As a German that’s a symbol that really jumps out at you.”

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A close up of the eagle and swastika associated with the National Socialist Party

When asked what he plans to do with the vehicle, Bein said he plans on keeping it. “My wife has been pressuring me to get rid of the vehicle because of it’s…associations,” said Bein. “But frankly it just runs so well I don’t see the need to do anything rash.”

Many Germans have expressed similar sentiments about getting rid of their vehicles in light of this recent scandal. Apparently, the cars are just too dependable for drivers to give up.

The phenomenon has not been limited to Germany. Somehow, these parts have made their way across the pond and wound up in American Volkswagens. Many Americans did not recognize the markings for what they were at first, prompting some citizens to refer to them as “badass”. But more savvy social media users have recognized the nefarious markings and have been uploading pictures to Facebook and Twitter for an explanation.

The Volkswagen company has vehemently denied that they have used any parts associated with the Nazi Party. A spokesman for the car company, Arnold Toht, had this to say, “These accusations that we have been using Nazi made parts are ridiculous. Do you have any idea how hard it is to find parts like that? If we could get our hands on something like that we certainly wouldn’t be putting them in our cars!” When asked about the photographs of the markings, Toht said he had “no comment”.

The Jewish advocacy group, American Jewish Committee has looked into the situation and is taking it very seriously. The group has appointed famous lawyer Aldo Rayne to head their case and hopefully bring official charges against Volkswagen. Murray Cohen, a Public Information Representative for the Committee said, “We have organized a special legal task force to see what can be done about this disgusting scenario. This task force we have put together has one business, rooting out anti-semitism. And let me tell ya folks, business is booming.”
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#65 Post by Adam Wright » Wed Feb 03, 2016 7:44 am

Steve-
I hope you realize that cbsnews.com.co is a fake news sight, a sister site to the well-known satire site News Examiner.

This is a quote taken from Snopes
"is a mainstay of the fake news site NewsExaminer (and their shill site, CBSnews.com.co)"

steverestelli wrote:Volkswagen Accused of Using Military Surplus Parts Allegedly From Nazi Germany

CBS BREAKING NEWS

http://cbsnews.com.co/volkswagen-accuse ... i-germany/


Wolfsburg, Germany – Last September the EPA issued a citation to the Volkswagen car company for violating the US Clean Air Act. After an investigation the EPA found that Volkswagen had falsified emission tests and that their cars, during real world driving, were producing over 40 times the legal amount of pollutants into the air (more than 240 O’Donnells according to the International Emission Standards & Practices). Ever since then, Volkswagen has attempted to play damage control in the midst of recalls and difficulties in brokering deals with advertisers. But things may have just gone from bad to wurst for the German car company.

According to Spiegel, a German news organization, consumers have been reporting that parts and pieces of their car are not only outdated but were made during Germany’s Nazi era. Several Volkswagen owners, while working on their vehicles, noticed Nazi style markings on various mechanical parts. One of the first owners to come forward was Frederich Bein who noticed the phenomenon while changing his oil. “When I first saw the swastika it was a bit surprising as you can imagine. As a German that’s a symbol that really jumps out at you.”

nazi carburetor
A close up of the eagle and swastika associated with the National Socialist Party

When asked what he plans to do with the vehicle, Bein said he plans on keeping it. “My wife has been pressuring me to get rid of the vehicle because of it’s…associations,” said Bein. “But frankly it just runs so well I don’t see the need to do anything rash.”

Many Germans have expressed similar sentiments about getting rid of their vehicles in light of this recent scandal. Apparently, the cars are just too dependable for drivers to give up.

The phenomenon has not been limited to Germany. Somehow, these parts have made their way across the pond and wound up in American Volkswagens. Many Americans did not recognize the markings for what they were at first, prompting some citizens to refer to them as “badass”. But more savvy social media users have recognized the nefarious markings and have been uploading pictures to Facebook and Twitter for an explanation.

The Volkswagen company has vehemently denied that they have used any parts associated with the Nazi Party. A spokesman for the car company, Arnold Toht, had this to say, “These accusations that we have been using Nazi made parts are ridiculous. Do you have any idea how hard it is to find parts like that? If we could get our hands on something like that we certainly wouldn’t be putting them in our cars!” When asked about the photographs of the markings, Toht said he had “no comment”.

The Jewish advocacy group, American Jewish Committee has looked into the situation and is taking it very seriously. The group has appointed famous lawyer Aldo Rayne to head their case and hopefully bring official charges against Volkswagen. Murray Cohen, a Public Information Representative for the Committee said, “We have organized a special legal task force to see what can be done about this disgusting scenario. This task force we have put together has one business, rooting out anti-semitism. And let me tell ya folks, business is booming.”
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#66 Post by Emil Wojcik » Wed Feb 03, 2016 10:53 am

Well, considering the photo with the caption "Close up of a Volkswagen transmission..." is actually a close up of a WW2 German pistol...
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#67 Post by steverestelli » Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:49 pm

I didn't know this, but it seemed possible for the older air cooled VW stuff to me.
Thanks for setting the record straight.
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#68 Post by Jim Alton » Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:50 pm

Emil Wojcik wrote:Well, considering the photo with the caption "Close up of a Volkswagen transmission..." is actually a close up of a WW2 German pistol...
Not the German pistol you'd expect:
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Close up of a Volkswagen transmission prominently featuring a Nazi symbol with heathen metric system markings. http://cbsnews.com.co/volkswagen-accused-using-military-surplus-parts-allegedly-nazi-germany/
It's a "11.25 m/m AUT. PISTOL M/1914" a M1911 Colt pistol produced under license in Kongsberg, Norway. Fewer than 10,000 were produced during the Nazi occupation but there are also some fakes.
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11.25 m/m AUT. PISTOL M/1914 http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/54/lid/3413
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#69 Post by Brian R Adams » Wed Feb 03, 2016 1:23 pm

I wasn't aware of a fake news site "cbsnews.com.co" but it was obviously (to me) a fake story from the first sentence or two.

Santayana's famous adage "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" cuts two ways. There are also those who think they know history. A wise man may do well to recall Alexander Pope: "A little learning is a dangerous thing.".

Incidentally, did you know "The Onion" recently bought "cbsnews.com.co"?

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#70 Post by Emil Wojcik » Wed Feb 03, 2016 1:47 pm

Jim Alton wrote:
Emil Wojcik wrote:Well, considering the photo with the caption "Close up of a Volkswagen transmission..." is actually a close up of a WW2 German pistol...
Not the German pistol you'd expect:
nazi-transmission.jpg
It's a "11.25 m/m AUT. PISTOL M/1914" a M1911 Colt pistol produced under license in Kongsberg, Norway. Fewer than 10,000 were produced during the Nazi occupation but there are also some fakes.
Colt.jpg
colt2.jpg
You don't see too many blued or parkerized steel transmissions.

Jim, interestingly, the image you posted is obviously of the exact gun in the photo used in the article. Same nicks, scratches and stampings, just a different angle.
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#71 Post by Jim Alton » Wed Feb 03, 2016 2:32 pm

Emil Wojcik wrote:
Jim Alton wrote:
Emil Wojcik wrote:Well, considering the photo with the caption "Close up of a Volkswagen transmission..." is actually a close up of a WW2 German pistol...
Not the German pistol you'd expect:


It's a "11.25 m/m AUT. PISTOL M/1914" a M1911 Colt pistol produced under license in Kongsberg, Norway. Fewer than 10,000 were produced during the Nazi occupation but there are also some fakes.


You don't see too many blued or parkerized steel transmissions.

Jim, interestingly, the image you posted is obviously of the exact gun in the photo used in the article. Same nicks, scratches and stampings, just a different angle.
It just took a very quick Google search. I've done a lot of competitive rifle shooting but I'm far from the world's greatest pistol expert.
 
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#72 Post by Dennis ODonnell » Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:34 pm

"...40 times the legal amount of pollutants into the air (more than 240 O’Donnells according ...."

Or one Restelli.

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#73 Post by Gerry McCarthy » Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:44 pm

I did not see the Bob Lutz article, but, the day this news broke, I commented to my Friday night beer and pizza friends that "this thing has Piech's fingerprints all over it" IMHO. He is a genius, in his grandfather's mold, but his arrogance knows no bounds. :?
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#74 Post by Brian R Adams » Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:02 pm

Gerry McCarthy wrote:I did not see the Bob Lutz article, but, the day this news broke, I commented to my Friday night beer and pizza friends that "this thing has Piech's fingerprints all over it" IMHO. He is a genius, in his grandfather's mold, but his arrogance knows no bounds. :?
Piëch would have made a very effective U-boat commander.
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#75 Post by Adam Wright » Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:26 pm

Brian R Adams wrote:
Gerry McCarthy wrote:I did not see the Bob Lutz article, but, the day this news broke, I commented to my Friday night beer and pizza friends that "this thing has Piech's fingerprints all over it" IMHO. He is a genius, in his grandfather's mold, but his arrogance knows no bounds. :?
Piëch would have made a very effective U-boat commander.
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