Time to restore my 356 notchback
- David Aronson
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback
Those are reproductions. They are very close to the original. I have compared coupe and notchback dome lights. The variations seen has been minimal. Some reproductions are not high quality. These are Stoddard. Seem to be just fine and fit perfectly.
61 Karmann Notchback 200831
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
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67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
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Vacaville Ca.
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- David Aronson
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback
Interior install progressing. Have learned that by wetting the carpet, the installation goes so much better. The left side panel went in so fast once it dried. I needed to bulk up the base of the front rear panel with underlayment. Otherwise the side panel was too high and it left a void. With the filler, the carpet flowed well and also covered the base of the rear panel. Wet fit, adjust a bit, let dry, glue and trim. The middle rear portion, over the transmission hump went well once it was moist. I applied some heat with a portable steamer. That seemed to softer the backing even more. No need for release cuts until it was glued in. Panel by panel! Patience....
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- finished edge at rear of door. No slumping, carpet seemed to fit as cut by Autos International.
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- left panel glued in after wetting,stretching and drying
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- tunnel carpet glued
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- tunnel glued in.
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- underlayment glued in
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- applying heat with steamer. Seamed to really allow some stretching and forming.
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- glued
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- more underlayment
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- underlayment glued in as filler
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61 Karmann Notchback 200831
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.
- David Aronson
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback
Autos International, specifically Dorian, requested I send him my back seat bottoms. I had a half a hide of leather that went to him as well. He is probably going to remake them for me. Soooo, since I am waiting I decided to uncover the engine and install the clutch and throw out bearing. I went to order a new bearing but the cost was way up there. I have several new 912 bearings so I decided to make the switch.
1. Remove the throw out bearing glide tube
2. remove studs
3. counter sink tube assembly
4. modify the lower front wings of the bearing to allow it to glide further forward on the tube
5, get some screws that fit
6. Install. I did not have the retaining clips so I have ordered those. Now I am ready to finally run-up the engine on the test stand.
I will take some pictures of the first run-up next. Our first rain today. In Northern California it is a sign that the hot summer is now OVER.
1. Remove the throw out bearing glide tube
2. remove studs
3. counter sink tube assembly
4. modify the lower front wings of the bearing to allow it to glide further forward on the tube
5, get some screws that fit
6. Install. I did not have the retaining clips so I have ordered those. Now I am ready to finally run-up the engine on the test stand.
I will take some pictures of the first run-up next. Our first rain today. In Northern California it is a sign that the hot summer is now OVER.
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- removing the studs, after taking the tube off.
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- Counter sinking the tube assembly
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- Ready for bearing assembly
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- Installed, minus the plastic retaining clips(spacers) I used blue thread locker as there is no lock washer.
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61 Karmann Notchback 200831
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.
- David Aronson
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback
Here is what the back seat looks like since Adrian at AI remade them. I remain lost at driving the hold down metal piece into the carpet.
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61 Karmann Notchback 200831
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.
- David Aronson
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Today I decided to install the engine. It ran very well at first start. No real problem during install. It really helped to have the lifts.
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61 Karmann Notchback 200831
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.
- David Aronson
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback
More pictures of engine installation.
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61 Karmann Notchback 200831
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.
- Vic Skirmants
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback
I really do recommend stuffing a paper towel into the carbs when the air cleaners are off and work is being done around the engine.
- David Aronson
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback
Thanks Vic, Next time I will try to remember.......I get pretty focused and forget about important stuff.
61 Karmann Notchback 200831
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.
- David Aronson
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback
Ihave a video of the first start. No way to share it here. Will try a youtube link.
61 Karmann Notchback 200831
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.
- David Aronson
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback
Hey Vic,
This is what mine looked like after one of the times I got distracted for some reason....Similar to your picture.
This is what mine looked like after one of the times I got distracted for some reason....Similar to your picture.
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61 Karmann Notchback 200831
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.
- David Aronson
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback
Back at it, had spinal surgery two weeks ago so am doing light stuff. A few pictures of the continued interior installation. Finally got rear seats installed and the vent slides.
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- Rear seats installed with the stupid nail thing installed. What they were thinking.....Worked well to hold down, no glue was needed.
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- final vent slides installed
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- ready for screws.
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- Aligning, drilling, clecos to hold.
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- cutting free the heater vent openings in prep for slide assembly
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- getting ready to install seat rails
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61 Karmann Notchback 200831
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.
- Mark Sabbann
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback
David, in your second photo showing the bottom of the engine, you have the piece of sheet metal with the dimpled 'X' installed between the heater boxes. Is that just a friction fit? How does it work with the rear engine bay sheet metal that surrounds the lower half of the drive pulley? Thanks.
Mark Sabbann
1964 SC Coupe 'Essy'
1965 C Coupe 'The Yellow Delicious'
1964 SC Coupe 'Essy'
1965 C Coupe 'The Yellow Delicious'
- David Aronson
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback
It has tabs that are bent over after fittin. I will take a picture after my nap after the turkey dinner.
61 Karmann Notchback 200831
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.
- David Aronson
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Mark, here is a picture of the tabs that hold the heat deflector in. This part is a reproduction as mine had been discarded back in the 70s, by me, one of the times I rebuilt or removed the third piece for some reason. I did not bend the tabs all the way as that is all that was need to retain the panel.
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61 Karmann Notchback 200831
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.