Restoring #151489 - building a faux cam carrera
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Re: Restoring #151489 - building a faux cam carrera
Hi Bill,
Congrats on Mia!!!!
Congrats again on the car!! It is one of the nicest projects over the list!!!
Cheers,
Congrats on Mia!!!!
Congrats again on the car!! It is one of the nicest projects over the list!!!
Cheers,
Freddy
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Re: Restoring #151489 - building a faux cam carrera
last night I finished the last part needed for the oil tank installation - the clamp that holds the filler neck to the engine compartment side wall. The dimensions Justin provided were spot on.
I also worked on the mounting parts for the oil filter last night. I decided to replicate the factory nut plate that goes between the tail clip and rear engine compartment wall. By drilling small holes between the bolt holes and positioning the nut plate correctly, I can weld the nut plate to the wall by filling these holes with weld metal. Got the nut plate made last night.
Thanks for reading this!Regards,
Bill Sargent
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Re: Restoring #151489 - building a faux cam carrera
Looking great Bill! All the pieces are slowly falling into place. Nice job on the collar clamp. Proper 4-cam oil cap is also a nice detail! Are you running that blue hose or are you buying the correct stuff from peter hoffman? Keep up the great updates. Justin
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Re: Restoring #151489 - building a faux cam carrera
Thanks Justin, yes I am eating the elephant slowly (or as my wife says, licking the elephant). The proper oil cap does look good - thanks for being the willing seller! I am using the blue silicone hose as it was available locally for about $10 for 3 ft and came in 1/8" diameter increments. The 2 1/8" one is 54mm, which fits perfectly. For final installation I will get the correct hose from Peter, along with several other things I need like the correct slotted head screws for the 4 cam fan shroud. Will wait to order everything at once to help on shipping.
Palo Alto Speedo shipped my restored gauges earlier this week, so I will be able to install them with the car still up on its side - way easier. Locks should be back fron Tony Eugeano in a week or two as well. Talked to Ralfy today and he will have the oil line fittings and soft plugs installed in the 3rd piece for my motor in a couple of weeks, so the motor build can also start.
Going down now to prep the oil filter bracket nut plate for installation.
Palo Alto Speedo shipped my restored gauges earlier this week, so I will be able to install them with the car still up on its side - way easier. Locks should be back fron Tony Eugeano in a week or two as well. Talked to Ralfy today and he will have the oil line fittings and soft plugs installed in the 3rd piece for my motor in a couple of weeks, so the motor build can also start.
Going down now to prep the oil filter bracket nut plate for installation.
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Re: Restoring #151489 - building a faux cam carrera
Made some good progress today. Bead blasted the nut plate for the oil filter and then measured several times before drilling the main mounting holes in the rear engine compartment wall. Helped to look at several real carreras at the Race Car Classic to get the location right. After holding the nut plate in place to check the fit, I then drilled the holes I would weld thru.
Thanks for following along!
I then fitted the oil filter as a final check and it looks good!
While I was making the nut plate for the oil filter I also made the mount bracket for the fuel pressure regulator/filter and got that fitted.
The engine compartment is almost done and is starting to look pretty good. The only part missing is the carrera breather tank. I have a reproduction being made that should arrive in a few weeks. Got some good pictures of how it is mounted from a car on the European Collectibles stand at Renn Sport Reunion.
Tomorrow's project is to solder the male fittings on the oil line ends in the engine compartment and to get the Facet (Bendix) fuel pump mounted up front. Still debating the location of the fuel pump. Either on the K member or bolted to the front of the passenger foot well. Either place will work. Thanks for following along!
Last edited by Bill Sargent on Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Restoring #151489 - building a faux cam carrera
Hi,
Very nice job !!
Can you tell me where you bought the banjo for the oil lines ??
Thanks,
Fred
Very nice job !!
Can you tell me where you bought the banjo for the oil lines ??
Thanks,
Fred
1991 - 1993 - 2,7 Targa
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2015 - 2016 3,2 Targa '84
2008...356 roadster T5 S90
2013...2,4 E 72 Sunroof under restoration
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2018...3,2 Speedster '89
2004 - 2013 - 993 Targa
2015 - 2016 3,2 Targa '84
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2016...3,2 Targa '86
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Re: Restoring #151489 - building a faux cam carrera
Hi Fredrick - I purchased all the oil line fittings thru Warren Eads of Spyder Sports, however Peter Hoffman with Classic Parts in Germany can also supply all the fittings. Spyder Sports is advertised in the Registry magazine. Google Classic Parts Porsche and Peter Hoffman's company will come up.
This weekend was somewhat of a wash out for Porsche work with the new baby at home, however I did get in a couple of hours. After some more thought, I decided to go another way on the fuel pump mount. Instead of the K member or the passenger foot well, I decided to fabricate a mount for the pump so it could be installed on the front torsion bar tube where the Auto Pulse pumps of early carreras resided. There is an inspection hatch on the right side for access and it gets the pump higher up away from any water etc. I had an old 12V Bendix pump, but thought that a new pump might be more reliable so I went to the Facet web site and found that they make pumps with various output pressures, the 40002E model produces 2.5 to 4 psi - about right for a carburated motor. Plus this model has a positive shut off. Would not work as a pass thru filter for carb priming, but I intend to run it as the only fuel pump. The same pump without the positive shut off that could be used for a priming pump is Facet part #477060E and is sold by Several vendors. I googled the 40002E part number and found a marine supply store that stocked them, so for $114 including shipping it was in Alaska in 4 days via US Post priority mail. My restored/rebuilt gauges arrived from Palo Alto Speed over the weekend. As usual a first class job. Next task install the gauges and put the 12V armature in the wiper motor. Both tasks are way easier with the car up on its side.
Thanks for following along!
This weekend was somewhat of a wash out for Porsche work with the new baby at home, however I did get in a couple of hours. After some more thought, I decided to go another way on the fuel pump mount. Instead of the K member or the passenger foot well, I decided to fabricate a mount for the pump so it could be installed on the front torsion bar tube where the Auto Pulse pumps of early carreras resided. There is an inspection hatch on the right side for access and it gets the pump higher up away from any water etc. I had an old 12V Bendix pump, but thought that a new pump might be more reliable so I went to the Facet web site and found that they make pumps with various output pressures, the 40002E model produces 2.5 to 4 psi - about right for a carburated motor. Plus this model has a positive shut off. Would not work as a pass thru filter for carb priming, but I intend to run it as the only fuel pump. The same pump without the positive shut off that could be used for a priming pump is Facet part #477060E and is sold by Several vendors. I googled the 40002E part number and found a marine supply store that stocked them, so for $114 including shipping it was in Alaska in 4 days via US Post priority mail. My restored/rebuilt gauges arrived from Palo Alto Speed over the weekend. As usual a first class job. Next task install the gauges and put the 12V armature in the wiper motor. Both tasks are way easier with the car up on its side.
Thanks for following along!
Last edited by Bill Sargent on Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Restoring #151489 - building a faux cam carrera
thanks for answering
I too put a tripple gauge in my roadster
I too put a tripple gauge in my roadster
1991 - 1993 - 2,7 Targa
2004 - 2013 - 993 Targa
2015 - 2016 3,2 Targa '84
2008...356 roadster T5 S90
2013...2,4 E 72 Sunroof under restoration
2016...3,2 Targa '86
2018...3,2 Speedster '89
2004 - 2013 - 993 Targa
2015 - 2016 3,2 Targa '84
2008...356 roadster T5 S90
2013...2,4 E 72 Sunroof under restoration
2016...3,2 Targa '86
2018...3,2 Speedster '89
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Re: Restoring #151489 - building a faux cam carrera
Got in a few hours over the weekend and finished the installation of the electric fuel pump. Got the mount bracket blasted and painted. Then made a ground wire that runs from a stud on the mount for the pump to the same ground in the battery box side that the horns etc use. YNZ supplied me with some extra brown ground wire with the gas heater harness. I also soldered a bullet connector on the fuel pump + wire and will use one of the rubber covered female/female connectors to hook it up to the fuel pump wire in the battery box. The small butane jewler's torch is great for installing the bullet connectors - get things hot quickly without allowing the wire's insulation to melt. Wires run thru a hole in the lower right rear of the battery box rear wall - location from Justin's car.
Thanks for following along!
Installation of the pump required two holes in the footwell area for the fuel lines, and again Justin helped me with measurements for their location.
Inside the car there plenty of room for the fuel lines to come in, but it gets a little crowded routing them around the wire harness. May have to modify the pedal boards to clear things.
I also got the rear engine compartment tray blasted clean so I can repair some torn holes before it is painted. At the same time I drilled the holes and welded a M6 weld nut on the small cover plate for the rear closing pannel where the hard oil lines pass thru so that it can be bolted in place with grommets around the hard oil lines.
Instrument installation will get done in the evenings this week. Thanks for following along!
Regards,
Bill Sargent
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Re: Restoring #151489 - building a faux cam carrera
Bill,
Do you have any idea how much trouble you are going to cause somebody someday? About 60 years from now there will be some giant debate on some future iteration of 356 Talk about the origins of 151489. Did it come off the line as a Carrera? Started as one and finished as a pushrod? A prototype? Replacement chassis? Owner modification? It will be some great mystery, eliciting all sorts of speculation from knowledgeable experts!
DG
Do you have any idea how much trouble you are going to cause somebody someday? About 60 years from now there will be some giant debate on some future iteration of 356 Talk about the origins of 151489. Did it come off the line as a Carrera? Started as one and finished as a pushrod? A prototype? Replacement chassis? Owner modification? It will be some great mystery, eliciting all sorts of speculation from knowledgeable experts!
DG
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Re: Restoring #151489 - building a faux cam carrera
Hi David - hopefully I live long enough to read the thread ! I think anyone who really knows 356 carreras would figure out pretty quickly that 151489 is not a real one. There are many details on a real carrera that I am not even going to think about recreating. Just trying to build something unique to drive, and have fun doing it. Although it would not take many more mods to be able to install a real 4 cam motor. Only problem is the motor would be worth more than the car !
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Re: Restoring #151489 - building a faux cam carrera
Hi Bill:
I've been following the thread with envy. Keep up the great work. Its coming along beautifully.
The best to you!
I've been following the thread with envy. Keep up the great work. Its coming along beautifully.
The best to you!
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Re: Restoring #151489 - building a faux cam carrera
I spent a great $15 today. One of the good things about living in Anchorage, Alaska is that there are lots of mechanical and machine services easily available. Lack of 356s and only 6 months without snow on the ground are the drawbacks, but I digress. One of the tips Warren Eads passed on was to use solder on fittings on the ends of the hard oil lines where they enter the engine compartment instead of the ferrul type tube fittings. Saves over an inch in length, which is important for the soft oil line that goes over to the filter. It is only a few inches long and hard to fit. Doing things to allow the soft line to be a little longer helps in the final fit up.
Thanks for following along!Regards,
Bill Sargent
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Re: Restoring #151489 - building a faux cam carrera
Steve - I agree, and trying to make a car that could be passed off as a real carrera is not the object of my project - hence the title "faux cam" . Thanks for organizing the Race Car Classic - a once in a life time event!
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Bill Sargent
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Re: Restoring #151489 - building a faux cam carrera
This is an amazing project Bill. I love the thread. Keep up the good work.
Regards,
-Greg
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