Time to restore my 356 notchback

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Jim Clement
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback

#106 Post by Jim Clement »

nice pictures, what are you doing for seat belt fixations ?
 

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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback

#107 Post by Mark Sabbann »

David Aronson wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:59 pm Mark, here is a picture of the tabs that hold the heat deflector in.
Thanks much for the photo David, that clears up a lot. My deflector was missing all together and I need to look into why my heater boxes are too close together for the deflector to fit like that.
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback

#108 Post by David Aronson »

I have drilled the holes and found the back wall,bottom angle of the floor pan had pre-installed backplates. An odd finding for a 61. I originally ordered three point harness with the back attachment planned for way back on the side panel. After trying it out with a temporary fixation (prior to interior), I found it awkward and almost impossible for me to reach as the reel is all the way back and if I adjusted it to only rewind partially, I would have a side belt laying all over. I am looking for some attachment that the
belt can go through and stop, somewhere just below the quarter window trim and behind the door. That would, however, put the shoulder belt way too low. For now, I think a lap belt will be just fine. For a couple of years I intend to drive it up into the trailer and then back down and to wherever they point me at the events. Any suggestions Jim
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback

#109 Post by David Aronson »

Back at the Notch project. Door Panels, Door threshold trim and rubber, dash recover no. 2 as I followed the pattern derived from the removed cover. It was not done properly as it did not include the ends that wrap into the door frame and end under the door/body rubber seal. I will include pictures as I attend to each stage.
The notchback has an articulating quarter window with no hinges. The rubber is a special mold that I was finally able to find at International Mercantile. After the chrome strip is screwed in, the rubber is fit and cut. The acute rear angle is joined with cyanoacrylate. I found a sharp Craftsman shear on Amazon. It cut the complex rubber seal very straight. The "crazy glue" I chose was Gorilla cyanoacrylate cement. This cement bonds well to rubber and does not leave a residue. A small amount with fast assembly. You only need to hold for about 30 seconds. I left them to cure overnight.
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback

#110 Post by David Aronson »

the front seal holds the glass and allows for about 20 degrees of outward movement. It has a center metal stiffener that is glued into the rubber seal.
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback

#111 Post by David Aronson »

installed quarter windows. The latch requires a two piece washer to insulate the latch from the glass. I had some extra washers made. Discovered that the 62 Karmann has a larger diameter hole in the window. I have both early and late latch washers if any notch owners would like them. The chrome trim outside the bottom quarter window seal needed to be installed in a different position as the rubber trim from IM is slightly narrower.
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67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
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09 Carrera S
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#112 Post by David Aronson »

quarter windows installed, Finish door threshold trim install.
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09 Carrera S
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback

#113 Post by David Aronson »

Door glass and regulator refined and door is sealed. I forgot to install drivers mirror so the sealing process was resealed on the driver side. Cut out flat door threshold with a template and blade.
transfer holes for U shaped door seal metal. Then punched rubber seal with a punch.
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Used a small punch to neatly put holes for U-channel screws.
Used a small punch to neatly put holes for U-channel screws.
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Finding the holes.
Finding the holes.
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Found the hole
Found the hole
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Threshold matt prior to glue
Threshold matt prior to glue
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Pattern for trimming threshold matt
Pattern for trimming threshold matt
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Sealing the door off with plastic.
Sealing the door off with plastic.
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74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
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09 Carrera S
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Re: Time to restore my 356 notchback

#114 Post by David Aronson »

Now the sticky application of contact cement. Small trim installed, finding screw holes using trim as template. Then the U channel is installed with the larger threshold rubber seal. Isued wome clamps to force the U channel into the recess to better seat the seal. I ended up doing the same on the other door.
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Pushing U channel back prior to drilling screw holes.  this makes the rubber seal fit nicely.
Pushing U channel back prior to drilling screw holes. this makes the rubber seal fit nicely.
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Fitting screws in U channel prior to rubber seal installation.  To make sure they line up.
Fitting screws in U channel prior to rubber seal installation. To make sure they line up.
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Installing the small threshold trim.  Hole finder for next hole
Installing the small threshold trim. Hole finder for next hole
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Glue application.  Ventilation please!
Glue application. Ventilation please!
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74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
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95 993
09 Carrera S
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#115 Post by David Aronson »

The finished threshold trim. Now to finish the installation of the floorboards. But prior to that, I decided to install a 6V fuel pump. I do not want to exhaust the battery getting fuel to the carburetors. So this section is the process.
First, the 6V pump I chose was a 4-8 psi from China. It requires a fuel filter and comes with all the hardware. The problem is that the length of the pump/filter doesn't fit where I wanted to install it. I felt that the least conspicuous, easiest to install and easiest to remove and service would be the cross member just aft of the front torsion tubes. To remedy this, I used some AN fittings I had from an aircraft project. It is 5/16 6061 T6 tubing that returns to a parallel mounting of the filter. The electricity comes from the left fog lamp wire. I do not intend to ever install that lamp. Since that wire comes from no. 5 fuse terminal, and there is no electrical source for that, I used the source that serves the radio. My notch has no radio installed. This source is off of the ignition switch. A momentary push button switch was found and installed under the dash.
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You can't see that switch unless you really get down and look up.
You can't see that switch unless you really get down and look up.
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Small push on momentary switch. Source from radio, power to upper fuse no. 5
Small push on momentary switch. Source from radio, power to upper fuse no. 5
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this shows the fuel lines exiting the bulkhead and returning.  The electrical connection from the fog lamp source.
this shows the fuel lines exiting the bulkhead and returning. The electrical connection from the fog lamp source.
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Hoses connected to bulkead fittings on side of center bulkhead, right side.  Hoses run from fuel selector to through bulkhead to pump then return from filter ghrough bulkhead to tunnel fuel line.
Hoses connected to bulkead fittings on side of center bulkhead, right side. Hoses run from fuel selector to through bulkhead to pump then return from filter ghrough bulkhead to tunnel fuel line.
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Fit prior to hose connection
Fit prior to hose connection
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Finished install
Finished install
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83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
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09 Carrera S
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#116 Post by David Aronson »

Now the floor boards and seat rails.
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Done except I forgot to adjust the clutch and accelerator rod.  Practice makes for perfection.
Done except I forgot to adjust the clutch and accelerator rod. Practice makes for perfection.
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Floor boards installed
Floor boards installed
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Progress being made
Progress being made
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Neat and efficient way to remove just what is necessary
Neat and efficient way to remove just what is necessary
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Using a cork hole cutter, removing carpet over each bolt receiver
Using a cork hole cutter, removing carpet over each bolt receiver
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61 Karmann Notchback 200831
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
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#117 Post by David Aronson »

Time to put some fuel into the tank and carefully watch for leaks at the selector. A pale was inserted just in case.
I powered up the fuel pump once no leaks were found. OH NO. The left carburetor spewed fuel at the connection. I tightened and tightened. I replaced the gaskets but it still leaked. I decided to tighten it
a bit more and...........Sh#t, it stripped. Ah, another learning experience. OK, this is not anything new. It happens....Got out my gear and installed a thread repair.
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Verified.  Now we are ready to start the car for the first time
Verified. Now we are ready to start the car for the first time
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new 12 x 1.25 threads, ready for the insertion
new 12 x 1.25 threads, ready for the insertion
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Tapped for the new heli coil insert
Tapped for the new heli coil insert
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Almost deep enough
Almost deep enough
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drilled out the carburetor top
drilled out the carburetor top
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No leak.  Time to test the fuel pump.
No leak. Time to test the fuel pump.
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finished seat rails
finished seat rails
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61 Karmann Notchback 200831
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74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
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#118 Post by Mark Roth »

David,
Some comments about the electric fuel pump. I installed a 6v pierberg (nla) in the same place without a filter about 20+ years ago. Works great. I had a push button switch as you have. My mechanical fuel pump acted up on a long trip. I ended up holding the button for a couple of hundred miles. The problem with a pure on-off switch is that you can forget to turn it off which I have done. (Eventually turned it off when I heard it running.) I have now installed a two way toggle switch from Zim’s. One way is on- off. Other way is hold on - spring loaded. With that switch one can have it both ways.
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#119 Post by David Aronson »

Thanks Mark,
Could you take a picture of the toggle switch. If it is small and requires only a single hole, I would be interested in installing one.
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83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
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09 Carrera S
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#120 Post by David Aronson »

OK, now that the interior is ready for seats and rubber matt. Installation of the interior is almost complete.
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While down here, might as well show the rear bulkhead with all the penetrations and rubber parts
While down here, might as well show the rear bulkhead with all the penetrations and rubber parts
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Accellerator rods connected and adjusted
Accellerator rods connected and adjusted
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seat belt attchments installed
seat belt attchments installed
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seats and coco matts installed
seats and coco matts installed
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passengers side matt
passengers side matt
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drivers side matt
drivers side matt
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61 Karmann Notchback 200831
67 Karman 912 461567
74 911 Targa (3.0 SC motor)
83 911SC (Concours award winner, still)
95 993
09 Carrera S
69 Triumph TR6, 2004 BMW K1200GT, 2012 R1200RT, 2013 MOTO GUZI V7 RACER
64 VW coupe
Vacaville Ca.

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