Front bumper guards on rear with GT exhaust

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Front bumper guards on rear with GT exhaust

#1 Post by M Penta » Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:58 pm

Anyone have a pic of front bumper guards installed on rear? I am wondering how well it covers the cut outs with out the funnels in place. I would like to use a GT style exhaust on my 64C and am thinking I will keep bumper guards on the car since I actually like them. The car has a header/side exit muffler on it now that I dislike and want to replace, and the original rear bumper guards chrome is badly peeling and look pretty rough. I would like to see a pic of front guards on rear with a GT style exhaust if anybody has one.

Other then 912 engine, 5.5 steel wheels and exhaust the car is stock, but thought I would post here since it is more along the lines of an outlaw related question.

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Re: Front bumper guards on rear with GT exhaust

#2 Post by M Penta » Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:39 pm

Here is one example I found. Not sure what I think yet, there is a pretty big gap between the guard and the body work where the cutout will still be pretty visible. I'll have to look at my car when I get home to really see how this would look.

I did consider removing them front and rear, welding up holes in bumpers and doing GT style trim but not sure I feel like it right now, and do not really want the vacant cut outs anyway.

I found a good deal on some front bumper guards in decent shape, so for now it would be a relatively cheap/easy solution (with or with out the current exhaust system).

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Re: Front bumper guards on rear with GT exhaust

#3 Post by M Penta » Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:44 pm

I picked up some used, original front guards and installed them on the rear.

Pic of them installed and original bumper guards in rough shape.

I'll leave them on there for now but after feeling the weight of them I think I want to remove all of them and refinish bumpers/install GT trim. Also, they can not help aerodynamics any, especially the rears which act as an air scoop. After looking at other cars with guard deleted I decided I like the look of it better anway.

I also looked at some cast reproductions, which were even (much) heavier then the stock items.

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Re: Front bumper guards on rear with GT exhaust

#4 Post by Jim Liberty » Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:55 pm

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How about this. Mo '63, S-90.
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Re: Front bumper guards on rear with GT exhaust

#5 Post by M Penta » Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:41 pm

I really love that exhaust Jim, I may end up with one of those instead of the GT type. For now though I will have to live with that side hanging "weight". At least it does sound pretty good.
Front guards on the rear of that beauty, now I am really happy with my decision. I may eventually delete both front and rear, but not on the priority list right now.

Even when (if) I return my car to full stock, I really do not want the sound of the original muffler so that will be something that will never be stock again most likely!

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Re: Front bumper guards on rear with GT exhaust

#6 Post by Doug McDonnell » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:22 am

Mark I don't have a picture but I know some have made a removable panel piece similar to the torsion bar cover to fill in the exhaust cut out and painted it body color. Reversible and would clean up that area if you go with GT exhaust.
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Re: Front bumper guards on rear with GT exhaust

#7 Post by M Penta » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:25 pm

Thanks Doug, that is what I am planning to do (eventually). For now I am pretty happy with it.

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Re: Front bumper guards on rear with GT exhaust

#8 Post by Steve Proctor » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:54 pm

The sound from that type of exhaust is amazing. Many of them come with removable "baffles." They sound good with the baffles in place and awesome with the baffles out. I wear a good set of ear plugs on trips of any length with the baffles out. With some cam, people love the sound.

You can also do surgery on stock exhausts to relieve back pressure. I did that with my 912 and got a nice deep sound. John Wilberg showed me how in San Diego, circa 1986. Remember, John??
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Re: Front bumper guards on rear with GT exhaust

#9 Post by Sean M Rooks » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:36 pm

I don't think this helps you since you're keeping bumper guards up front, but since I have no guards front or rear (removed and smoothed by the PO) I am adding stainless bends to the stock S-pipes and routing them through the cutouts VW "peashooter" style. I've done a test fit and I really like the look. Will post pics as soon as I have some.

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#10 Post by Pat Daily » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:29 am

Hey Sean--would love to see your photos of the exhausts. We need to get local 356 together for a drive before the winter weather gets here.
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#11 Post by Sean M Rooks » Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:31 am

Pat - love the idea of a drive. We need Harold and Robert G. to join us! H. has had some issues w/his C after a brief fire in the engine bay, but he's cruising on repairs.

I'm planning to be at the next C&C Richmond on the 21st if I can get the pipes all buttoned up. The rest of the car is back together after a summer of fixing stuff up and playing with my 911. :)

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#12 Post by M Penta » Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:21 pm

Hi Sean, Pat,

I do like the look of the S pipes out of the cut outs, like this car:

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Probably would sound good with the length of tailpipe too, but not sure if I want to add 4 90* turns to the exhaust.

I like the look of bumper guard delete, but I like the bumper guards too. What I do not like is the weight of them, and they can't help aerodynamics either.

For now I love it as is though, and do not want to go to far from stock look, but I do plan on longer studs, 10mm spacers and Vredstiens this winter.

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#13 Post by Sean M Rooks » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:17 pm

Mark,

I too have a side exit exhaust on my car and the visible cutouts have been annoying me since day one. Here's the before:
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I got the stainless pipes mounted up this week so I could do some test drives this weekend. These are very simply a set of 1.5" pre-bent pipes from summit racing. They fit exactly into the NOS pipes that exit the restored Leistritz exhaust I just installed. My thanks to Lufteknic in Richmond for having a set of original pipes on hand:
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The stainless bends have been trimmed slightly on the connection side. You ditch the stock bend that exits near the cutouts and connects to the funnel in the bumper guard but keep the bracket clamps.

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They are smaller diameter than the example you posted above (and the version CJ Murray has on his outlaw fjord green car) but I like the size and length actually. Feels "vintage" and will nicely keep exhaust off the bumper. I had to make an extension piece to allow me to tilt the pipes upward from the stock angle so they exit in the cutout rather than under it, but still mount to the tabs on the muffler. It was a bit fiddly to make sure nothing touches the valence.

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It's all kinda temporary. Ideally I'll have a set of pipes welded up with the bracket attached at the proper angle. But for now, I think it looks a heck of a lot better than the bursch coming out the side and the Leistritz sounds just as good to my ear.

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Re: Front bumper guards on rear with GT exhaust

#14 Post by John Clarke » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:36 am

Hi Mark
A bit off topic, but what is that van in your original shot. Thought it was a Corvair Greenbrier , but not sure.
I'm interested in the upside down front bumper guards at the rear as we have a Bursch hanging out the side of our 912 lump.
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#15 Post by M Penta » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:28 pm

Looks good Sean, I was not aware that the Leistritz sounds different from stock. I wonder what internal differences there are.

Hi John,

That is my 66 Dodge van. Very dependable old rig and we use it often. A few more pics of it in my project thread: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=27039

The front guards on rear are not upside down, they swap L to R. Very simple solution for now, looks much better then it did.

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Mark

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