Outlaw Engine Choices

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Re: Outlaw Engine Choices

#16 Post by Jacques Lefriant » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:39 pm

Hi Christian
A little history may be in order here. The 356 engine is based on the VW 34/6 1200cc engine. yes you can make it almost a 2.0 liter but you are dealing with an engine that is already a hot rod. just because Porsche never had the oportunity of developing an economic alternative that would replace it i would not limit myself to it. your early 911 can have its engine doubled in displacement and still be within its original design.
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Re: Outlaw Engine Choices

#17 Post by C J Murray » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:53 am

Hi Jacques,
Why not a Chevy Big Block or a Viper V10?

The 356 attracted it's loyal followers by being the most balanced and efficient performance car produced in the era. LESS IS MORE! To put a heavy lump hanging behind the rear axle ruins the whole experience. Yes, I have driven a 356 with a complete 911 driveline and rear suspension. What a shame it is to destroy the 356 persona. Buy a 911!

The VW Type IV engine makes more sense but, why? That is like putting a Ford engine in a Chevy. If you want to build a hot VW engine, buy a VW to put it into. Can you say, Karmann Ghia? I had one years ago and they are pretty cool.

The 356 engine can be modified to make a reliable 150hp in street tune. Street tune, meaning that the car would be pleasant to drive all day in city traffic. If you need more, buy a 911, or a Corvette, or a Viper.

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Re: Outlaw Engine Choices

#18 Post by Jacques Lefriant » Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:18 pm

Cliff
If you want to keep the persona keep the engine stock. I enjoyed my normal engine in my T5 coupe and i only was fustrated when a VW squareback keep up with me and i had to back off because my oil temp was climbing. When i had the C2 cab i drove it around and compared it to a 911. i did not like the fact that i could drive it like an automatic because it had gobs of torque. the sounds were great but i sensed the gearbox was crying for attention.
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Re: Outlaw Engine Choices

#19 Post by Jacques Lefriant » Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:46 pm

Hi Guys
if you want an aircooled flat engine why don't we resurect a Corvair. my personal choice would be a injected 771 engine with the 822 box.
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#20 Post by Jon E. Askins » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:52 am

I like the affordability and ease of getting parts for the VW engine. You can stroke 'em out and do all kinds of mods and still get power and dependability.

We were staring with, all NEW:

VW 1600cc case, Boattailed and deburred

Forged Chromoly Crank

92mm Pistons

82mm Stroke

Chromoly connecting rods

110 Engle CAM

Lightened Chromoly Flywheel

Weighted counter balanced pulley

Hi-flow oil pump

Outlaw 044 Heads and engine worked over by A+ Machinist in Titusville

Swirle honing, valve guides shaved, heads custom trimmed around valves to breath better, re-CC'd, decked, polished and ported
I am not sure what all that means, but it is supposed to be good, ;-)

.009 Distributor

9.5 to 1 Compression

4.25 End Play

Blue Bosch Coil

Remote Oil Filter

Dual Webber 44 IDFs

Custom Exhaust!!

MagnaFlow

Features and Benefits: MagnaFlow XL 3 Chamber Mufflers use a unique combination of large diameter perforated tubing and strategically placed sound baffles to reduce unwanted resonance and help your engine create horsepower.

The sound baffles tune the sound waves using calibrated tuning gate openings that allow portions of the waves to pass through. These tuned waves reflect off the back wall of the muffler and cancel out unwanted harsher sounds.

The large diameter perforated core eliminates the flow restrictions of a louvered style core. A careful balance between perforation size/spacing and the baffle tuning gate make for a great 3 chamber performance muffler.

Couple thousand miles on her with a few valve adjustments and she runs strong!
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Re: Outlaw Engine Choices

#21 Post by Ken Gregory » Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:21 pm

Here is a type 4 2056 914 engine with a cali upright cooling in my 356
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#22 Post by Greg Banfill » Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:41 am

I run a 2276cc engine with IDA's in my '54
I have 175hp at the wheels.
911 style Bergman cooling
Pro-street VW trans.
Daily driver ability with as much power as I want if I need it.

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Real world numbers, I'm into the running gear for roughly $15k
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#23 Post by Jon E. Askins » Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:15 am

Nice clean intimidating :shock: look .

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#24 Post by Greg Banfill » Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:30 pm

Thanks. I like the "simple" look
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Re: Outlaw Engine Choices

#25 Post by Richard Emerson » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:15 am

I have driven a 356 with a polo motor extensively. It's incredible and would be my first choice, money no object.

Rod Emory would be the right person to discuss these with as he has built 12 of them.

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#26 Post by Matthew Devereux » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:27 am

I decided to just hot rod a 912 engine with 1720 p&cs, Elgin cam and Dellortos. Assembly starts next week. According to John Wilhoits's testing this combo (w/Webers) should be good for 100hp. With a full rebuild it wasn't cheap however the next step up is a big one unless you go VW.
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Re: Outlaw Engine Choices

#27 Post by Jacques Lefriant » Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:26 pm

I beleive Rod is doing billet/ blocks/cases now.
 

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#28 Post by Matthew Devereux » Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:35 pm

There is also the Wilhoit 1925TR engine.
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#29 Post by Richard Emerson » Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:36 am

Horsepower can be deceiving; I would go for torque.

Rod Emory has improved the polo engines. They can make crazy power now of desired.

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Re: Outlaw Engine Choices

#30 Post by Craig Richter » Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:22 am

Living within the limitations of its' classic design, while still refining what features we can to enhance utility and driving pleasure, this is to me the 356 experience. Going to different motors, more sophisticated suspensions, multi-gear transmissions, maybe all "refinements" on a broad technical scale, change the experience into something else. It may still be a significant and rewarding experience, but it's not the same 356 experience I enjoy.
 

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