Tracing Car History

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Tracing Car History

#1 Post by Dennis Vogel » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:47 pm

Does anyone have suggestions on learning history of a particular car? I am very interested in learning more about the history of our 1960 356B/1600 S-90 Reutter coupe project car. In particular the origin of the large Golde manual clothe sunroof. I have exhausted my options by looking for previous owners.

I have tried:
  • Previous owner (deceased)
  • Carfax - only works with 17-digit VIN
  • COA - Doesn't list sunroof
  • ELEVENPARTS AG - who appear to have access to original Kardex records
  • CheckThatVin.com / National Motor Vehicle Title Information System (NMVTIS) - One hit from 2012, seems incorrect
  • Porsche Cars North America
  • Porsche Classic Partners - All in North America
  • International Association of Auto Theft Investigators and regional chapters- Thinking they could get DMV records
  • American Recovery Association (car repo specialists)
  • ALS Resolvion (car repo)
The COA doesn't list a sunroof, but my understanding is they are not necessarily complete. The car while in rough shape, is mostly original. If the sunroof was dropped in by someone, they did a pretty good job. There's no obvious cuts or welds. We may discover more when we strip the car down.

Thanks for any suggestions.

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Re: Tracing Car History

#2 Post by Trevor Gates » Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:41 am

Hello Dennis,

Sounds like a great car! Here's a thread I started on cloth sunroof cars with more information and plenty of pics: Golde / Webasto - Folding cloth fabric sunroof

Can you post up some pictures of your car? If possible, please include a few from the inside of the car with the headliner removed.
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#3 Post by Dennis Vogel » Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:54 pm

Trevor Gates wrote:Here's a thread I started on cloth sunroof cars with more information and plenty of pics: Golde / Webasto - Folding cloth fabric sunroof

Can you post up some pictures of your car? If possible, please include a few from the inside of the car with the headliner removed.
Hi Trevor. Thanks for your reply. I had read your sunroof post some time ago, and bookmarked it as part of my research. Very helpful.

We've not removed the headliner yet, but will update when we do.
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#4 Post by Bob Watts » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:54 pm

Do you know the original car and interior colors and/or the current car and interior colors.
Maybe this inventory will help:

(general information: note the new right hand drive cars listed)
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#5 Post by Dennis Vogel » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:34 pm

Hi Bob. Thanks for the reply and attachment. I had overlooked that file in the other threads. There are more sunroof 356 out there than I expected. The Golde Sunroof Installation Manual: 1956 – 1959 Karmann Ghia in particular is interesting!

I have the CoA, which matches the surviving door jam tags. Exterior: Slate Grey. Interior: Red Leatherette.
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#6 Post by Doug McDonnell » Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:34 pm

It looks like the sunroof headliner has a different pattern from the rest of the headliner. It this in line with your inspection?
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#7 Post by Dennis Vogel » Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:52 pm

Doug McDonnell wrote:It looks like the sunroof headliner has a different pattern from the rest of the headliner. It this in line with your inspection?
Hi Doug. Best I can tell, the material, hole pattern, and color of the main headliner and sunroof are consistent. The limited quality of my phone camera may make it look a bit off. The placement of the seams are not aligned though.
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#8 Post by Edwin Ek » Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:21 pm

Have you gotten a copy of the real Kardex?
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#9 Post by Dennis Vogel » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:32 am

Edwin Ek wrote:Have you gotten a copy of the real Kardex?
I would love to get a copy of the original Kardex. I was under the impression that Porsche was no longer making that available.

I did get the Certificate of Authenticity (CoA), which appears to have recently been renamed Porsche Production Specifications.
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#10 Post by Wes Bender » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:54 pm

Search for Kardex here on the forums. Contact David P.
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#11 Post by Doug McDonnell » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:08 pm

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#12 Post by Dennis Vogel » Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:40 pm

Thanks for recommendation for David. I was able to connect with him and get a scan of the Kardex. Not a lot on there, but it did yield the original importer. Did not know that before. So now we know the beginning and end. I just need to figure out the middle. :wink:
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#13 Post by Edwin Ek » Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:06 pm

Does your car have the sunroof drains on the rear pillars?

The California DMV has a form called INF-70. For a very small fee, it will trace a car's registration and ownership history. The form asks for a reason for the search. I have always used the line: I have information about the car which would be of interest to previous owners. I get the sense that the DMV doesn't really care what you give for a reason.
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#14 Post by Dick Roth » Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:17 pm

Could easily be an aftermarket installation. Be interesting to know where that car spent its life. In NYC there was a very high end custom shop with a 100 year pedigree called Humer-Binder that did many of these Golde installations, and you would not be able to tell them from a factory installation. I know, because a friend of mine had an installation done on an XK-150 S coupe.
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#15 Post by Trevor Gates » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:51 am

Edwin Ek wrote:Does your car have the sunroof drains on the rear pillars?
Cloth sunroof cars do not have drains.
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