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 Post subject: Tracing Car History
PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:47 pm 
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Does anyone have suggestions on learning history of a particular car? I am very interested in learning more about the history of our 1960 356B/1600 S-90 Reutter coupe project car. In particular the origin of the large Golde manual clothe sunroof. I have exhausted my options by looking for previous owners.

I have tried:
  • Previous owner (deceased)
  • Carfax - only works with 17-digit VIN
  • COA - Doesn't list sunroof
  • ELEVENPARTS AG - who appear to have access to original Kardex records
  • CheckThatVin.com / National Motor Vehicle Title Information System (NMVTIS) - One hit from 2012, seems incorrect
  • Porsche Cars North America
  • Porsche Classic Partners - All in North America
  • International Association of Auto Theft Investigators and regional chapters- Thinking they could get DMV records
  • American Recovery Association (car repo specialists)
  • ALS Resolvion (car repo)

The COA doesn't list a sunroof, but my understanding is they are not necessarily complete. The car while in rough shape, is mostly original. If the sunroof was dropped in by someone, they did a pretty good job. There's no obvious cuts or welds. We may discover more when we strip the car down.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:41 am 
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Hello Dennis,

Sounds like a great car! Here's a thread I started on cloth sunroof cars with more information and plenty of pics: Golde / Webasto - Folding cloth fabric sunroof

Can you post up some pictures of your car? If possible, please include a few from the inside of the car with the headliner removed.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:54 pm 
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Trevor Gates wrote:
Here's a thread I started on cloth sunroof cars with more information and plenty of pics: Golde / Webasto - Folding cloth fabric sunroof

Can you post up some pictures of your car? If possible, please include a few from the inside of the car with the headliner removed.


Hi Trevor. Thanks for your reply. I had read your sunroof post some time ago, and bookmarked it as part of my research. Very helpful.

We've not removed the headliner yet, but will update when we do.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:54 pm 
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Do you know the original car and interior colors and/or the current car and interior colors.
Maybe this inventory will help:

(general information: note the new right hand drive cars listed)


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:34 pm 
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Hi Bob. Thanks for the reply and attachment. I had overlooked that file in the other threads. There are more sunroof 356 out there than I expected. The Golde Sunroof Installation Manual: 1956 – 1959 Karmann Ghia in particular is interesting!

I have the CoA, which matches the surviving door jam tags. Exterior: Slate Grey. Interior: Red Leatherette.

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It looks like the sunroof headliner has a different pattern from the rest of the headliner. It this in line with your inspection?

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Doug McDonnell wrote:
It looks like the sunroof headliner has a different pattern from the rest of the headliner. It this in line with your inspection?


Hi Doug. Best I can tell, the material, hole pattern, and color of the main headliner and sunroof are consistent. The limited quality of my phone camera may make it look a bit off. The placement of the seams are not aligned though.

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Have you gotten a copy of the real Kardex?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:32 am 
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Edwin Ek wrote:
Have you gotten a copy of the real Kardex?


I would love to get a copy of the original Kardex. I was under the impression that Porsche was no longer making that available.

I did get the Certificate of Authenticity (CoA), which appears to have recently been renamed Porsche Production Specifications.

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Search for Kardex here on the forums. Contact David P.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:40 pm 
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Thanks for recommendation for David. I was able to connect with him and get a scan of the Kardex. Not a lot on there, but it did yield the original importer. Did not know that before. So now we know the beginning and end. I just need to figure out the middle. :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:06 pm 
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Does your car have the sunroof drains on the rear pillars?

The California DMV has a form called INF-70. For a very small fee, it will trace a car's registration and ownership history. The form asks for a reason for the search. I have always used the line: I have information about the car which would be of interest to previous owners. I get the sense that the DMV doesn't really care what you give for a reason.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:17 pm 
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Could easily be an aftermarket installation. Be interesting to know where that car spent its life. In NYC there was a very high end custom shop with a 100 year pedigree called Humer-Binder that did many of these Golde installations, and you would not be able to tell them from a factory installation. I know, because a friend of mine had an installation done on an XK-150 S coupe.
You can find some information about them on the web...

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Edwin Ek wrote:
Does your car have the sunroof drains on the rear pillars?

Cloth sunroof cars do not have drains.

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