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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:39 am 
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There's an original Talbot Berlin mirror mounted on the fender of my 56 Coupe. Is that mirror correct for a 56 or should be the Aero mirror?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:53 am 
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If it is the Ponto-Stabil style Talbot mirror, those were found on 356Bs. Mall (the three-star logo) was the primary mirror supplier to Porsche; Talbot was an alternate supplier.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:23 pm 
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Steve to my recollection I first started seeing them on 356's mid 60's. Many A's with fender mounted mirrors used Lucas mirrors.

My photo show a Talbot drivers side mirror. Year 1962, which I believe was original to the car. I owned this car about 5 years ago. All orig. with the exception of one repaint due to being keyed in the 60's.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:08 pm 
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The only outside mirror in the 1959 356A Accessory catalog is the "Aero" mirror.

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There are Accessories Brochures in Miller & Merritt, Porsche Brochures & Sales Literature: A Source Book 1948-1965

The 356B Accessories Brochure (page 175) shows only "9125 Außenspiegel (für Deutschland serienmäßig)" and the photo shows the Ponto Stabil mirror stamped "Talbot Berlin" with the mirror mounted on the driver's door.

The 356C Accessories Brochure (page 285) is the first to show the bullet-shaped Talbot mirror:
9131 Talbot-Spiegel Sportausführung, links, nicht montiert (Outside Rear View mirror Talbot, left, not mounted)
9132 Talbot-Spiegel Sportausführung, rechts, nicht montiert (Outside Rear View mirror Talbot, right, not mounted)

By the way, the same Talbot mirror options were available for early 911s for DM 22.50 / US$ 5.65.

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I was talking to someone recently who bought an early 911S from the original owner who'd picked it up at the factory and had them mount Talbots on the car. Apparently, the factory advised tall drivers to mount those mirrors on the fenders which is where they still are on that car.

I also know somebody with a very late 1959 356A Cabriolet that was originally his father's. It has a Ponto Stabil mirror on the door and early photos showing that mirror. That style mirror stamped "Talbot Berlin" was probably installed by the factory on the last 356As.

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I've always thought that--back in the day--many owners mounted mirrors out on their Porsche's fenders because that's where the first sports cars in the US (early British sports cars) had them and people thought that's how sports cars were supposed to look (cars in Britain still had "wing mirrors" in the mid-1970s). I still think that's the most likely cause but a few might well have been mounted there at the factory on special request.

My best guess is the mirror on the "early 356A" you're asking about was a "period" modification when the car was young but not at the date of manufacture/delivery.

If anybody knows when specific Talbot mirrors were introduced it's Aardvark International <http://talbotco.com/> which now owns the rights to Talbot Mirrors.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:46 pm 
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The '56 accessory brochure shows clip-on mirrors. These had been available from Porsche since at least 1954. Either round or trapezoidal.

http://derwhites356literature.com/356-AAccessories.html


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:52 am 
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This picture is my '59 Coupe being picked up by the original owner in San Jose in '59, with no mirror.
He then had the dealership install a Talbot Berlin, which is still on it today.


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