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ULO challenge

#1 Post by Eric Cherneff » Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:25 am

This is for the real fanatics, but this is the Authenticity Corner!

I am trying to identify the various versions of ULO No.135 reflectors, and approximately when they were used. Here's what I have, and what I think they are, from oldest to newest:
ulo1.jpg
#1: earliest, has "sunburst" ULO logo in middle
ulo2.jpg
#2: similar to #1, but has an added IGM certification (Italian automobile authority)
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#3: similar to #2, but has plain "-ULO-" in middle
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#4.0 (not shown): same as next one but retains BI315 marking on lower right
#4.1: newer (post 356 era?), loses the old K11426 and IGM approvals, uses ECE code ("E1") approval
ulo5.jpg
#5: NLA/Stoddard repro(?), similar to #4, but has plain metal back.

#1-#4 have metal backs stamped ULO and No135.

What does all the nomenclature mean?

ULO No 135: manufacturer and model number
K11246: University of Karlsruhe lighting approval/standard
IGM 0766 C2: "Ispettorato Generale Motorizzazione" (Italian motor vehicle approval)
A-5108: ???
B circle I 315 logo: ???
I(E1)21274R3:
_____I: ???
_____E1: (e-code for Germany
_____21274: approval under ECE guidelines?
_____R3: ECE reference for a reflective device
JRU493: Danish Ministry of Justice approval ???
514-R: ???

I must have too much time on my hands...
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Re: ULO challenge

#2 Post by Jim Breazeale » Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:41 pm

Hi Eric

You may want to chat with John Chatley (Conv D registgry). He has an obsession with ULO reflectors, as well. You guys can compare notes.

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Re: ULO challenge

#3 Post by Eric Cherneff » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:07 am

Jim Breazeale wrote:Hi Eric

You may want to chat with John Chatley (Conv D registgry). He has an obsession with ULO reflectors, as well. You guys can compare notes.

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Thanks Jim. But just to be clear, I'm not obsessed, I can quit any time. Maybe.
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Re: ULO challenge

#4 Post by Jim Breazeale » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:18 am

Eric Cherneff wrote:
Jim Breazeale wrote:Hi Eric

You may want to chat with John Chatley (Conv D registgry). He has an obsession with ULO reflectors, as well. You guys can compare notes.

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Thanks Jim. But just to be clear, I'm not obsessed, I can quit any time. Maybe.
Eric

Yea, like me and golf..............

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Re: ULO challenge

#5 Post by Brad Ripley » Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:55 pm

Gee, my one inch file on reflectors has sketches of five versions of the plastic reflectors. Two of them are different than Eric's.

General comment on all lighting codes: the more the codes, the later the part. Applies especially to those elusive seal beam headlight glasses.

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Re: ULO challenge

#6 Post by Eric Cherneff » Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:10 pm

Brad Ripley wrote:Gee, my one inch file on reflectors has sketches of five versions of the plastic reflectors. Two of them are different than Eric's.

General comment on all lighting codes: the more the codes, the later the part. Applies especially to those elusive seal beam headlight glasses.
Will you share any of this with us, Brad?
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Re: ULO challenge

#7 Post by Jim Breazeale » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:12 pm

Eric

Here is another version to add to your mix

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Re: ULO challenge

#8 Post by Michael Reitman » Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:39 pm

Folks,
thank you. Jim do you have any for me to install??

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Re: ULO challenge

#9 Post by Steve Harrison » Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:21 am

Hello Brad,

Is this like the headlight glass you mention? I've had these for years in a box, can't remember where I got them and have always wondered if these were repro or what. It just says Hella,...nothing else. They're kinda scratchy so I figured they were at least somewhat old.

Sorry Eric for the slight hijack.
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Re: ULO challenge

#10 Post by Mervyn Hyde » Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:55 pm

I have been looking through my spares and I find a pair the same as that pictured at # 2 above. Are these correct for a BT6 (62-3)? The ones on there are newer and the same as image #4. They may also be correct?
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Re: ULO challenge

#11 Post by Chuck House » Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:29 pm

My observations are that only sunburst ULO reflectors came on 356s and the large letter ones are later production, although I am not 100% certain on later Cs. The plastic sunburst reflectors showed up sometime in '59.
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Re: ULO challenge

#12 Post by Mervyn Hyde » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:10 am

That seems to be the case Chuck. I have three different sets, one of which is sunburst style. I am wondering which is correct for 63/BT6?
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#13 Post by Chuck House » Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:28 am

Mervyn Hyde wrote:That seems to be the case Chuck. I have three different sets, one of which is sunburst style. I am wondering which is correct for 63/BT6?

The "sunburst" style.
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Re: ULO challenge

#14 Post by Curt Crowell » Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:46 pm

So which ones are glass ? Curt Crowell

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Re: ULO challenge

#15 Post by Mervyn Hyde » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:35 pm

Curt, my (still ignorant) view would be that the first one shown in Eric's list is the only glass version. When that stopped and the next (Sunburst) plastic version (and so on) started to be fitted - I am unaware. When the others were developed and when were fitted is unknown to me.

I suspect that given that different markets RHD B's and possibly C's appeared to have the reflectors below the bumper (some here for example) may also suggest that different versions of the reflectors were used as well.
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