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Sebastian Gaeta
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Ashtray Bracket Liner

#1 Post by Sebastian Gaeta » Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:03 pm

Guys,

A few issues back I discussed the liner that was affixed to the ashtray bracket and appears to be used as an anti-squeak liner between the bracket and the car. Below is a picture of the two brackets original to my C coupe and C cab with different types of contact paper used as the liner. The '64 cab liner is on the right, the '65 C coupe liner is on the left.

I was contacted by a few members describing the liners on their ashtray brackets soon after, but that died off pretty quickly.

Anyone else have some examples?
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'64 C cab
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2001 996 C4
1998 Boxster
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1966 Ducati Cafe Racer
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Re: Ashtray Bracket Liner

#2 Post by karl schuenemann » Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:57 pm

Sebastian,I have one with the orange vinyl,that I believe is from a C coupe.The other is as far as I know original to my 59 coupe.Sorry not 100 % on either one.
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Re: Ashtray Bracket Liner

#3 Post by Sebastian Gaeta » Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:51 pm

Hi Kurt,

I heard from a reader that he had the clear vinyl on an original piece too. I have only seen the orange liner on later cars but we cannot make that a data point. I wouldn't be surprised that something as unimportant as these liners went under the old "they used whatever was available at the time" explanation.

The liner that came on my coupe is some sort of contact paper that has what almost looks like the Chinese alphabet on it.

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'65 C coupe
'64 C cab
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2005 997 C2 Cab
2001 996 C4
1998 Boxster
1967 Karmann Ghia Convertible
1966 Ducati Cafe Racer
1964 Karmann Ghia Coupe
1963 Beetle

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Re: Ashtray Bracket Liner

#4 Post by Richard Milstead » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:40 am

Sebastian,
I took the attached pictures of the Ashtray bracket liner fron my late '64 Cab. I believe that it is original to the car. It is made of clear vinyl as the pictures depict.
Dick Milstead
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Re: Ashtray Bracket Liner

#5 Post by Jim Breazeale » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:01 pm

ashtrays from my bin full of ashtrays. I don't have any idea what year or model they came from, though.
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Re: Ashtray Bracket Liner

#6 Post by Sebastian Gaeta » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:12 pm

Jim,

It appears that the orange and clear liners are the most common, but check out the ashtray for sale in our classifieds that has a checkerboard patterned liner. Could that be original, much like my "Chinese writing" liner? I mean, why would anyone bother to replace those?
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'65 C coupe
'64 C cab
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2005 997 C2 Cab
2001 996 C4
1998 Boxster
1967 Karmann Ghia Convertible
1966 Ducati Cafe Racer
1964 Karmann Ghia Coupe
1963 Beetle

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Re: Ashtray Bracket Liner

#7 Post by Mark Reich » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:07 pm

Mine had the identical "Chinese writing".
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Re: Ashtray Bracket Liner

#8 Post by karl schuenemann » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:38 pm

Sebastian,Are you as jelous as I am,that checkered pattern is the best,it seems odd that anyone would ever want to, or need to replace these,unless for detail?And they all appear to be the same size.Wonder if they cut hundreds at a time or as needed on the line?
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Re: Ashtray Bracket Liner

#9 Post by Dave Wildrick » Tue May 01, 2012 5:22 pm

Jim Breazeale wrote:ashtrays from my bin full of ashtrays. I don't have any idea what year or model they came from, though.
The one on my 64C coupe, which I bought in 1976, looks like these.
I have not looked at the one in my 65C (yet).
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Re: Ashtray Bracket Liner

#10 Post by Sebastian Gaeta » Tue May 01, 2012 6:00 pm

karl schuenemann wrote:Sebastian,Are you as jelous as I am,that checkered pattern is the best,it seems odd that anyone would ever want to, or need to replace these,unless for detail?
Apologies to Michael Rogers for using his picture from the classifieds, but I agree with Karl and think that this is the coolest one I've seen, including the "Chinese writing" liners that Mark Reich and I have!
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'65 C coupe
'64 C cab
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2005 997 C2 Cab
2001 996 C4
1998 Boxster
1967 Karmann Ghia Convertible
1966 Ducati Cafe Racer
1964 Karmann Ghia Coupe
1963 Beetle

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Re: Ashtray Bracket Liner

#11 Post by Frederick Adler » Tue May 01, 2012 6:57 pm

I had the checked stuff on mine too. I cleaned it off (OOPS) thinking it was put there by a prior owner for whatever reason. My guess is that they used the stuff to line the drawers at the factory...........................

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Re: Ashtray Bracket Liner

#12 Post by Sebastian Gaeta » Tue May 01, 2012 7:52 pm

Frederick Adler wrote:I had the checked stuff on mine too. I cleaned it off (OOPS) thinking it was put there by a prior owner for whatever reason.
D'Oh!
Frederick Adler wrote: My guess is that they used the stuff to line the drawers at the factory...........................
It certainly does look like a kind of contact paper.

Will concours judges now pull your ashtray bracket out to check the liner? :shock:
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'65 C coupe
'64 C cab
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2005 997 C2 Cab
2001 996 C4
1998 Boxster
1967 Karmann Ghia Convertible
1966 Ducati Cafe Racer
1964 Karmann Ghia Coupe
1963 Beetle

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Re: Ashtray Bracket Liner

#13 Post by Jim Kellogg » Tue May 01, 2012 8:44 pm

We have seen quite a few of these liners over the years. Our favorite is of the ladies sunbathing on the beac(no picture). Our guess was that a tech discovered that contact paper/wallpaper from the shop down the street would hold the ashtray screws in place while he/she tightened the machine screws.
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Re: Ashtray Bracket Liner

#14 Post by Jim Breazeale » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:27 pm

Hi Sebastain

Here is my entry for the coolest liner yet.
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Re: Ashtray Bracket Liner

#15 Post by John Hearn » Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:36 am

Many years ago I bought the paper liner to the Registry members with a photograph published in the magazine.
It would appear that the later cars had the plastic tape type lining and that till at least B models they were made from a piece of wallpaper.
Less than a mile from the factory there was a shop selling wallpaper.
I speculate that they sent an apprentice down to the shop either to acquire an old sample book or a roll of their cheapest paper.
Maybe members could photograph their ashtrays the next time they are removed for other work and we can build a database?
KTF
John

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