Hardtop Body Seal Installation
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Re: Hardtop Body Seal Installation
I've been putting my hour a day in on the top resurrection. Today I repaired the U-channel that the body seal attaches to. I have a 'parts' top to salvage the items I need to get the job done.
The lower plate is from the top I'm restoring - number 75344. The CoA for my car lists a hardtop, this could be it, I suppose, as this serial number puts it at the end of C production. That should improve my chances for it to fit right.
I cut a piece out of the donor top
And spot welded it in - now I can reinstall the rubber seal
The alloy deco strip shines up pretty good, but the overall condition of the two pieces (rt and lt) is marginal. I measured the strip and the windshield insert on my C cab and they are the same width - 14mm. If the attaching tang is the same, I wonder if it's possible to reach out to whomever is recreating the windshield insert to get two 5 foot straight pieces to make new strips? Worth looking into ...
Here are two Serial number plates from my tops - the upper one is from the donor top - number 3086 which makes it a very early top.The lower plate is from the top I'm restoring - number 75344. The CoA for my car lists a hardtop, this could be it, I suppose, as this serial number puts it at the end of C production. That should improve my chances for it to fit right.
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Re: Hardtop Body Seal Installation
Your hardtop goes to a car mfg'd during Jan 1963 see attachment list
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Re: Hardtop Body Seal Installation
Thanks, Brad - well, too much of a stretch to think this was the original top to my car.
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Re: Hardtop Body Seal Installation
Just saw this thread. Have some photos of the ends of the body deal, and how it was finished on an early 60 hardtop. Will send a sketch of the end rubber piece (NLA, unless someone makes it). Starting this project soon. With help... Photos are of both ends, so remember one end is the mirror image of the other. Rubber piece is 45-50mm long, about 30 mm wide and 15mm high. The cutout is wedge shaped. the end is only 5 mm high. This is based on the as found stuff in the pictures, 60 years old.
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1960 Super Cabriolet, 1963 S90 Coupe
Registry #311
Owned Porsche 356s continuously since 1978
(wow, made 45 years of ownership on the 60 Cab!)
Registry #311
Owned Porsche 356s continuously since 1978
(wow, made 45 years of ownership on the 60 Cab!)
- Dave Lagerstrom
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Re: Hardtop Body Seal Installation
Following this thread as I am in the same point in my project.
Rudy, those photos and info are awesome. Thank you.
I would also like to get a copy of the sketch if possible.
Rudy, those photos and info are awesome. Thank you.
I would also like to get a copy of the sketch if possible.
-Dave in Minnesota
1960 Cabriolet
1960 Cabriolet
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Re: Hardtop Body Seal Installation
Sketch as promised. Remember construct two, one mirror image of other .. note bow body deal is cut to accommodate the profile. Included part numbers from hardtop diagram from Porsche PET, parts diagram page 811-35 that shows hardtop blowup diagram. Note the notch shown on the top of part 13. Don't know if later hardtops had this notch already formed in rubber profile, but in 1960 the tech cut it himself. also note shaved down in pictures to reduce height at inside of profile's top area.
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1960 Super Cabriolet, 1963 S90 Coupe
Registry #311
Owned Porsche 356s continuously since 1978
(wow, made 45 years of ownership on the 60 Cab!)
Registry #311
Owned Porsche 356s continuously since 1978
(wow, made 45 years of ownership on the 60 Cab!)
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Re: Hardtop Body Seal Installation
Picture of diagram for talk viewing without downloading.
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1960 Super Cabriolet, 1963 S90 Coupe
Registry #311
Owned Porsche 356s continuously since 1978
(wow, made 45 years of ownership on the 60 Cab!)
Registry #311
Owned Porsche 356s continuously since 1978
(wow, made 45 years of ownership on the 60 Cab!)
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Re: Hardtop Body Seal Installation
Great detail, Rudy, and we appreciate the drawing. I saw that in the PET (#13) and had no idea what it was - looks like another challenge to find something to substitute.
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Re: Hardtop Body Seal Installation
reshoot fuzzy pictures and add some more.
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1960 Super Cabriolet, 1963 S90 Coupe
Registry #311
Owned Porsche 356s continuously since 1978
(wow, made 45 years of ownership on the 60 Cab!)
Registry #311
Owned Porsche 356s continuously since 1978
(wow, made 45 years of ownership on the 60 Cab!)
- Rudy Bernhard
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Re: Hardtop Body Seal Installation
anybody have a line on the chrome turnbuckle covers (item 35, above). If so, I get first dibs! Please contact me if you have some for sale, or know a source. Rudy
1960 Super Cabriolet, 1963 S90 Coupe
Registry #311
Owned Porsche 356s continuously since 1978
(wow, made 45 years of ownership on the 60 Cab!)
Registry #311
Owned Porsche 356s continuously since 1978
(wow, made 45 years of ownership on the 60 Cab!)
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Re: Hardtop Body Seal Installation
Jim Liberty made a very small run of them a few years ago. Not sure if he has any left. Otherwise they are exceedingly rare.
Regards,
Bill Sargent
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Re: Hardtop Body Seal Installation
Anyone have pics of the chrome turnbuckle cover in place? I'm probably not the only cab owner who has never seen any on or off of a cab.
Spike Jones
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Re: Hardtop Body Seal Installation
By the way Bill, thanks for your several threads on this subject - very good reference - I printed them all out and took them to my man cave
Greg Bryan
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Re: Hardtop Body Seal Installation
Spike - here's a thread regarding the turn buckle covers
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=27182&p=133226&hili ... rs#p133226
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Re: Hardtop Body Seal Installation
Got the rubber seal and the alloy strips in today.
I finally glued the rubber strip into the channel with 3M Weatherstrip glue as trying to get the alloy strip into its groove was pushing the strip out of place. Maybe not copacetic but I couldn't think of any other way to do it. I did see in one of Bill Sargent's posts that he pinched the rubber by deforming the u-channel (sorry if I misinterpreted what Bill wrote). My channel is in so-so shape and kind of thin in some places with corrosion, so I used the glue. I may live to regret it, but so be it.
I can now try it on my car to see how well (or if) it fits.
This is one of the hardest things I've ever done on a car!I finally glued the rubber strip into the channel with 3M Weatherstrip glue as trying to get the alloy strip into its groove was pushing the strip out of place. Maybe not copacetic but I couldn't think of any other way to do it. I did see in one of Bill Sargent's posts that he pinched the rubber by deforming the u-channel (sorry if I misinterpreted what Bill wrote). My channel is in so-so shape and kind of thin in some places with corrosion, so I used the glue. I may live to regret it, but so be it.
I can now try it on my car to see how well (or if) it fits.
Greg Bryan