Steering Question
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Steering Question
On my 356 B I feel a little give (almost like a cable slipping) when reaching the end of a hard left turn. It doesn't happen on a hard right turn. Any thoughts on where to start or a known solution? Trying to get car ready for the WCH which will be 3500+ miles!
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Re: Steering Question
Check everything connected with the steering...steering box, tie-rods, link/ king pins, etc. Is the steering box correctly centered? Very important that it is set per factory specs. Articles in past Registry issues will define how to do this. Is the clamping at the coupler between shaft and steering box tight? No slipping of the splines should be possible. Steering box and tie rod ends should be inspected to ensure they are tight and not having any 'give'.
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Re: Steering Question
I had a similar issue that was a loose shaft clamp.
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Re: Steering Question
Pretty sure one of the backing plate bolts is longer than the other and acts as a steering stop. If that bolt is in the wrong location, it does not stop the travel of the spindle. The geometry of the pitman arm and the short tie on the left allows steering to get very close to over-centering, which can feel like the steering wheel is moving but the front wheels are not responding.
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Re: Steering Question
Also check that the damper is not restricting movement. I believe some replacements have a shorter travel than needed, and the placement of the stationary end must be correct.
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Re: Steering Question
Steering coupling?
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Re: Steering Question
Don,
I've had a couple (sorry) of coupler failures. None gave (partial) additional travel, and fortunately, I never pulled the wheel back to find I had A WHOLE LOT(!) of additional travel.
Pretty sure it's a "go" - "no-go" issue when the stock (and most aftermarket) coupler(s) fail.
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Re: Steering Question
There are 3-bolts holding the front backing plates and the forward one is the stop bolt to limit the steering angle left and right.
The 10 x 17 ATF comes in 4-lengths--16,17,18, & 19mm.
The 10 x 17 ATF comes in 4-lengths--16,17,18, & 19mm.
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Re: Steering Question
Measuring the front axle components is a situation that only few shops can do. As shown in your shop manual you will need a P69 to measure the steering arm they can bend and be straightened. You will need a P-70 to make sure the trailing arms are not bent. The tool outlined in a previous registry magazine article will not function properly because of improper fabrication. Finally you will need VW259 to measure the offset of the carrier for the link pins. If the spindle is rusty, you must exercise extreme car in remove the king pin so you do not harm the spindle. Worn King pins can be replaced with a larger king pin. Porsche and VW installed a phenolic spacers so various thickness of shims to compensate for varying tolerances in machining. Later this became a plastic washer! Not a good idea! It is a better choice to have proper shim made by a machine shop. It usually takes Zim's a week to evaluate and repair you front end. Properly done it is expensive. Usually we find that the lower right trailing arm is bent from bumping curbs. Used parts must be measured before installation. Normally we find over 50% of what we purchase used to be bent beyond repair. I would suggest you check your steering coupler clamps to the steering box and steering column that is the only area where slipping can occur. al zim Zim's autotechnik 800.356.2964 2019/05/02
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Re: Steering Question
Is there a torque value for tightening the bolts for the column bracket to the torsion tube? Concerned it is an aluminum bracket.
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Torque on the 10MM nut is 40 FT. Lbs. Be sure you use a Nylock washer it will be easier to install then the rusty nuts you have. After you tap the stud hole use a red (strong) lock tight so the stud does not turn when tightening the nut. Clean the steering shaft to ease assembly of the column. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS: To properly hold the pitman arm during assembly.
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Re: Steering Question
Thanks Al. I have tapped the holes. Good suggestion on the lock tight and nylon washers. I marked the pitman arm when I removed should the pitman arm be installed first before I install the steering box. I recall this was a tight fit getting out.
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Re: Steering Question
Follow up question - I forgot to order this part - the safety metal tab- with the nylon lock nut washer is it still necessary?
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You can only install the pitman arm one way. Use a Nylock nut we have been for over 25 years.
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