Bogus Carrera Speedster?

[Joris Koning]

Fica Frio is the Jersey based Limited which owns the car. This is probably for tax purposes. Reading the suit is looks like the limited is owned/controlled by Carlos Monteverde who is a big time car collector. I'd be surprised if this is about buyers remorse because his business is not doing well. Time will tell

[Adam Wright]

Here are some more pics of when it was on the block.

[James Davies]

Is the issue that it is not a GT, just a plain Carrera GS?

[Mike Wilson]

As Mark said, the reason(s) for questioning the authenticity will be in the discovery phase. The Kardex would be a good piece of evidence.

Mike

[Joris Koning]

According to Steve's book it is a real GT. One issue I see from Adams pictures is that the car is running front coolers which implies it has a plain bearing engine while from the factory it came with #91015 which is a 692/0 roller engine

[Dick Weiss]

Olaf Lang & Bill Brown records show 84908 did have engine 91015 692/0, but when sold, the engine was exchanged for a pushrod
engine while 91015 was installed into 84912 which was not a GT. When sold again, 91015 was reinstalled into 84908 and sold again.
Meanwhile, 84912 became listed as the 1st pushrod GT. (Panels changed?)

[Andrew Larson]

To clarify, 84912 is a GT. It was a Factory-built 4-cam GT Carrera with a motor swap done before Factory delivery.

The excerpt from the 84908 sale document (one page one of this thread) is correct:

"The engine found in this car is number 91015, which was first installed in chassis 84912 - another GS/GT Speedster, and sold new to amateur racer Leo Levine. Shortly after taking delivery of the Carrera Speedster #84912, Mr. Levine had the four cam replaced with a pushrod 1600 Super #82309. The Speedster's 692/0 engine (number 91015) was then placed in 84908 prior to its delivery."

[Erik Thomas]

Speculators taking all the fun out of the old car hobby. To me, the car looks like all it needs is some padding on the roll bar and a number taped to the side, and lets go racing. Sadly, it will be locked away in a vault instead..

[James Davies]

Thanks Joris. That's the first place I should have checked. Engine swaps on the production line were not uncommon and are documented in Porsche's records. I'm assuming this is where Steve's info comes from in the Carrera book? Or were these swaps made after delivery? I.e. reflected on the Kardex?

[Tom Bridgers]

#84932 GT Speedster. Same shop different car.

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[James Watters]

#1. I doubt Jerry needs the extra cash.
#2 There is no reason for him to commit fraud.
#3 We're assuming the car is not "authentic" based on the buyer's claims.
#4 Seinfeld has hundreds of of transactions over the course of many years with many buyers and sellers. This is the first time i've seen or heard of any issues.
I for one will give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Martin Benade]

Is it known if the engine was removed from 84912 before or after delivery? It is stated both ways. Would the factory have reused an engine that had already been delivered?

[Robert Thiemrodt]

ABC Nightly news last night did a 60 second story saying Jerry sold a replica Porsche Speedster. Is it any wonder why people don't trust the media? I wonder if they'll do a follow up story when it's found Seinfeld did nothing wrong?? Seinfeld selling a replica, give me a break!!

[Bruce Smith]

ABC Nightly news last night did a 60 second story saying Jerry sold a replica Porsche Speedster. Is it any wonder why people don't trust the media? I wonder if they'll do a follow up story when it's found Seinfeld did nothing wrong?? Seinfeld selling a replica, give me a break!!

Exactly what the attorneys had planned on.

[Andrew Larson]

Is it known if the engine was removed from 84912 before or after delivery? It is stated both ways. Would the factory have reused an engine that had already been delivered?

Please see my post above, as this was stated previously. But here it is again - "Engine 91015 was taken out of 84912 at the factory (before delivery of 84912) and then engine 91015 was put into 84908 at the Factory and before delivery of 84908. So, 84908 left the Factory with engine 91015 already installed in it."