Who decided the 356 Registry should quit being a registry?

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Re: Who decided the 356 Registry should quit being a registr

#16 Post by Craig Richter » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:01 pm

We need some trustees who will actively promote the objective of again being a registry, not "pissed off" trustees "who do not intend to enter into any debate".
 

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Re: Who decided the 356 Registry should quit being a registr

#17 Post by David Jones » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:06 pm

We do have an election for trustees upon us. Any comments from those aspiring to those positions?
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Re: Who decided the 356 Registry should quit being a registr

#18 Post by Emil Wojcik » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:17 pm

As Curt has stated, the club has a VIN Database Manager, Eric Cherniff, and currently they're in the process of a "major upgrade in functionality to the database". See, Curt, some of us read your posts. Unfortunately there are always those who sit on the sidelines and complain...has been happening here for years.

Yes, if the club is to be called "Registry", it actually needs to be a registry. Sounds to me like the fix is already underway albeit slower than we'd all probably like. Maybe if more of the complainers volunteer to help...
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Re: Who decided the 356 Registry should quit being a registr

#19 Post by William Block » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:23 pm

I am not the Registrar for the 356 Registry -- although I became one after being sent boxes of the back cover-leafs from the magazine with a request for registering 356s. No one with any official position at the 356 registry was willing to enter the information. My position was approved at trusties' meeting at LAX. Frankly I never understood what Steve Heinrich's attempts to get the Registry's mailing list had to do with me -- I never asked for a location more precise than state if in US or country if out. After threats from then president George Dunn -- including a letter published on 356TALK, starting "With all due respect" (anybody not know what that means) he threatened to pull my 356TALK privileges if I kept asking people on the website for serial number information. The letter which cited "privacy concerns" however did not hesitate to print my full home address. Curt is wrong is stating I have ever opened a 356 door without permission -- although if the door were open i ceertainly. At the time of my banishment considerably more than half the serial numbers Eric Cherniff's online database were sent to him by me -- I had sent all of the information I collected to him. I can not claim the information I entered was always correct, only that I entered what I was given and feel obligated to correct what I have when presented with a correction -- something I did as recently as today. Unfortunately the timing is wrong, but perhaps this issue would provide a platform for those who wish to run for office.
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Re: Who decided the 356 Registry should quit being a registr

#20 Post by Ned Hamlin » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:46 pm

Might I respectfully offer that Eric's last name is spelled Cherneff, not Cherniff?
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#21 Post by Adam Wright » Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:36 pm

Emil Wojcik wrote:As Curt has stated, the club has a VIN Database Manager, Eric Cherniff, and currently they're in the process of a "major upgrade in functionality to the database". See, Curt, some of us read your posts. Unfortunately there are always those who sit on the sidelines and complain...has been happening here for years.

Yes, if the club is to be called "Registry", it actually needs to be a registry. Sounds to me like the fix is already underway albeit slower than we'd all probably like. Maybe if more of the complainers volunteer to help...
We had a volunteer, he was told to stop Registering 356's for the 356 Registry, his name was Dr. Bill Block.
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#22 Post by Emil Wojcik » Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:52 pm

Yes, from my perspective, Bill did a good job when he was collecting info but since I wasn't involved with the process at all, I can't comment on whether or not he should have been allowed to continue. Apparently, for one reason or another, Bill was asked to stop. No disrespect meant to Bill, but how this pertains to the current situation is irrelevant to me. People come and go for various reasons, some leave of their own accord, others are made to leave. As long as the club agrees it should continue as an official registry, I really don't care whether it's Eric, Bill or someone else who maintains it. My only concern is that if the club wants to continue to use the name 356 Registry, it needs to maintain a registry of these cars.
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Re: Who decided the 356 Registry should quit being a registr

#23 Post by Bob Watts » Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:44 pm

PLEASE, PLEASE! Someone please tell me to stop doing the Sunroof inventory!

I'm old and feeble of body and mind (obviously).

Michael has volunteered to started work on a database which would be so much better than an inventory.
Who is ready to help??? You will receive the current digital file and about half a filing cabinet of paper work.
One paper copy for every item on the list (backup and referencing). I will gladly pay the shipping.
Looking forward to the rush of emails...

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Re: Who decided the 356 Registry should quit being a registr

#24 Post by Dave Wildrick » Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:41 pm

William Block wrote:- I never asked for a location more precise than state if in US or country if out. After threats from then president George Dunn -- including a letter published on 356TALK, starting "With all due respect" (anybody not know what that means) he threatened to pull my 356TALK privileges if I kept asking people on the website for serial number information.
Bill, I guess no good deed goes unpunished.
I was impressed that someone was interested enough to maintain a registry.
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Re: Who decided the 356 Registry should quit being a registr

#25 Post by Jim Liberty » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:35 pm

I am no longer on the board, buy was in on many discussions on this subject. The privacy, and more important the liability issues are just too important to ignore. Our law suit based on sheer nonsense lasted years, and cost hundreds of thousand of dollars, not to mention making the then, sitting president an ill man. And after all that, his case was dropped. Anybody can sue, and one must defend oneself.

The days of casual approaches to these exposures are over. Curt D. is absolutely correct in his answer. That said, I still contact Bill Block for historical data on my early cars. Nothing official, but good old fashioned information. Yes, I was one of the trustees that agreed Bill should not continue gathering information on behalf of the Registry.


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Re: Who decided the 356 Registry should quit being a registr

#26 Post by C J Murray » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:18 pm

If you don't like the position held by a Trustee then don't vote for that Trustee. If you don't like the the attitude of a Trustee....

Dare I suggest that term limits would place fresh eyes and fresh attitudes on this and other evolving issues?
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Re: Who decided the 356 Registry should quit being a registr

#27 Post by Geoff Fleming » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:06 am

Despite the legal ramifications which may or may not arise, I , for one, am glad we have someone like Bill Block , who has taken considerable time and expense to keep an extensive database of our cars and I have no problem providing information to him.
The well-known, regrettable ,( and frivolous), lawsuit filed by the now deceased former member had nothing to do with anything regarding Bill's registry of the cars.

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#28 Post by C J Murray » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:17 am

"Curt Dansby" I do not intend to enter into any debate regarding what I have posted above. This position is not subject to change.
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#29 Post by Curt Dansby » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:59 am

It appears that a few posting in this thread are having difficulty processing my entire post or are intentionally attempting to misrepresent what I have stated.
"...what I have posted above" indicates that I do not intend to debate the situation regarding Mr. Block, not that I do not(nor do not intend to) engage in debate generally, or on other issues. Neither did I suggest that I was pissed off.

It is not always prudent to discuss or divulge every specific detail of every issue that leads to Registry Policy. You elect Trustees to administer the business of the club in the manner that they believe (based on all available information) to be in the best interest of the club overall. This is what I have done since I have been on the board as I believe my peers have also done. I do not feel I need to provide a list or justify what I have done during my tenure. Plus, it would not be appropriate to do so in this format with an upcoming election. I will stand on the content of my candidacy statement (which can be found under "latest news" and in the forthcoming magazine) and my actions of which many in the club are aware.
Obviously, this is a volunteer position and myself and my peers put ourselves in these positions with some sacrifice(and recently great) to our personal time. That is not a gripe (we volunteered) just for the edification of those who are unaware.

I have indicated that the bugs in the VIN database are being addressed and I will re-post to this thread with a synopsis of what was achieved post completion. Beyond that I do not currently have anything else to contribute to what was the original basis of this topic.

I will finish with this: "You can please some of the people all of the time. You can please all of the people some of the time, but you cant please all of the people all of the time."

The very word Trustee indicates that you trust those you elect to do what is best for the club as a whole. If you do not trust that is what I am doing then I strongly recommend that you vote for the other two candidates in the election which goes live on 11/15. I will gracefully bow out if not re-elected. And or, better yet, there will be another unopposed seat on the board next year. Let's see who is willing to put their money where their mouth is and take a turn on the hot seat.

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#30 Post by Mike Wilson » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:02 pm

A question: are there any other car registries that have satisfactorily addressed the issues of privacy and liability?

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