It is currently Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:49 pm

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Forum rules


Please click here to view the forum rules



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 18 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Luggage Rack Hole Plugs
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:20 pm 
356 Fan

Joined: Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:47 pm
Posts: 146
Location: Denver, CO
All,
If you did not have a luggage rack, the attachment holes were plugged with plastic plugs. The originals had serrated edges, reproductions do not. We evaluated a beautifu 356 at Rennsport and the only proplem we saw was repro luggage rack hole plugs. We found four for the owner and discovered there were three different sizes. Concouurs judges, which size went with which model and year?
Jim Kellogg
356restore

_________________


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:31 am 
356 Fan
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:59 pm
Posts: 137
Jim,
Here are pics of two types of plugs.
I don’t know for sure....
But I’ve heard that some came with paint on them from the factory.
It would be nice if someone could verify if this was the result of a later respray.
Hope this helps.j
-chip


Attachments:
1F6231D7-1ABA-47F4-B6A9-5FD658DB6602.jpeg
1F6231D7-1ABA-47F4-B6A9-5FD658DB6602.jpeg [ 1.26 MiB | Viewed 394 times ]
D88FDC67-9CDC-4E79-81F6-58F5ED700147.jpeg
D88FDC67-9CDC-4E79-81F6-58F5ED700147.jpeg [ 1.2 MiB | Viewed 394 times ]

_________________
 


Last edited by Chip Flor on Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:49 am, edited 1 time in total.
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:16 pm 
356 Fan
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:37 pm
Posts: 3936
Location: SW Los Angeles
I think Roy Lock (R.I.P.) may have written an article on these plugs.

Mike

_________________
Mike Wilson
Lomita, CA
'63 B coupe


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:26 pm 
356 Fan
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:37 pm
Posts: 3936
Location: SW Los Angeles
I would venture a guess that the plugs were not painted at the factory. Post-assembly, if a rack wasn't ordered, the plugs would have been inserted.

However, you know my mantra, "Porsche...consistently inconsistent..."

Mike

_________________
Mike Wilson
Lomita, CA
'63 B coupe


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:28 pm 
356 Fan
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:59 pm
Posts: 137
Here is the “B” parts manual.
It shows the larger plug with a stepped hole .
I think it might be safe to say these larger plugs (with a hole) went with the B (or later) cars.


Attachments:
8F9C2283-E803-48FD-A933-A1B4B9303E77.jpeg
8F9C2283-E803-48FD-A933-A1B4B9303E77.jpeg [ 1.18 MiB | Viewed 363 times ]

_________________
 
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:23 am 
356 Fan
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:59 pm
Posts: 137
On the Porsche PET web site they unite the parts for the B and C models.
Below is illustration #803-00 page 241.
It shows the plug as part # 66
Part number# 644 025 673 00

Corroboration that the stepped holed larger plug is most likely utilized for both the B and C models.


Attachments:
2D5BF646-3D32-4B76-98D3-54EBB7B01FD7.jpeg
2D5BF646-3D32-4B76-98D3-54EBB7B01FD7.jpeg [ 182.93 KiB | Viewed 325 times ]

_________________
 
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:30 am 
356 Fan
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:59 pm
Posts: 137
I scoured the PET A parts katalog.pdf.
I could not find the plug...
It does not mean anything other than I couldn’t find it.
I'm disappointed this part (A model) did not show up as it did with the same B/C illustration.
Anyway here is 1959 A model PET illustration 803-00 (hood/deck lid and associated hardware)
Page 242

You can see the rubber cushion deck lid etc., but no luggage rack plug.
Go figure?


Attachments:
D01606A9-12E4-44EB-8EA3-3E0BF3AC6738.jpeg
D01606A9-12E4-44EB-8EA3-3E0BF3AC6738.jpeg [ 1.09 MiB | Viewed 321 times ]

_________________
 
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:54 am 
356 Fan
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:21 am
Posts: 598
Location: Stillwater, MN
My champagne yellow coupe from July 1965 had the smaller opaque nylon plugs. When I went to install a luggage rack and I may have been the first to do it on that car, they did have paint on them and the car had had one respray. At the same time, I seem to remember minor paint spray inside the threads indicating that the lid was factory painted prior to the plugs being installed. So I can't verify whether the paint on the plugs was factory-applied or not, but the plugs were definitely the small version with serrated edges and without center holes.

_________________
Mark Sabbann
1964 SC Coupe 'Essy'
2013 Fiat 500 Abarth
2002 HD Road King
1989 HD Softail Springer


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:37 am 
356 Fan

Joined: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:51 pm
Posts: 345
I've got some that I think were original on my 1959A. I'll run up to the garage this morning and shoot a picture.

_________________
59A Coupe
64C Sunroof


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:53 am 
356 Fan

Joined: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:51 pm
Posts: 345
Serrated edges and painted.


Attachments:
IMG_20181014_074506832.jpg
IMG_20181014_074506832.jpg [ 825.01 KiB | Viewed 281 times ]
IMG_20181014_074459705.jpg
IMG_20181014_074459705.jpg [ 763.13 KiB | Viewed 281 times ]

_________________
59A Coupe
64C Sunroof
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:08 am 
356 Fan
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:14 am
Posts: 1999
Location: near Ft Collins
Tag: Official curmudgeon
I recall some 50+/- years ago they were painted and the paint tended to peel or flake off in our mile high sun.
They would have been installed before painting to keep the threads clear.

_________________
 


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:41 am 
356 Fan
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:02 pm
Posts: 1029
Location: Southern California
Tag: It’s only a hobby.
Several years ago Roy Lock (RIP) described the luggage rack plugs that were placed on at least in this case B models. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2309&hilit=Luggage+plugs#p9615

They appeared not to be painted however the sun could have caused the tops to peel.

I recall ordering the plugs http://www.stoddard.com/64470300200-nla.html but they did not fit they were too small. They were not serrated but smooth. They actually were the same size as my 911 bumper plugs.

The ones James pictured I believe are the correct ones. Whether they were painting at the factory I don’t know. I do know that no supplier carries a plug that fits. Or at least I was never able to source them.

_________________
1963 356 T-6 Coupe Signal Red.
1973.5 911 T Coupe Ivory.
1989 911 Carrera Targa Grd Prix White.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:51 pm 
356 Fan
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:37 pm
Posts: 3936
Location: SW Los Angeles
I also have the ones like James has posted. I've found them on eBay and old deck lids. Some were painted, others not. The theory they were painted with the deck lids to kep the threads clear sounds logical but I don't know if Porsche worried about that with other threaded locations. Perhaps any owners with unrestored cars that never had a rack installed can weigh in.

Oh the energy we put into the minutia! Ha!

Mike

_________________
Mike Wilson
Lomita, CA
'63 B coupe


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:12 pm 
356 Fan

Joined: Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:34 am
Posts: 21
Ok everybody - then what plugs if any fit into the extra holes in the rack it's self. These extras are for when the rack is used on various models A B C ( twin or single grill ). Would I be correct to say these plug would be taken out of the engine lid and fitted to these holes.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:18 am 
356 Fan
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:59 pm
Posts: 137
Scott,
Not really clear what holes in the luggage rack you are speaking of.

So...these plugs theoretically protect these threaded holes in the engine lid. When the luggage rack is installed they are removed and stowed away. When the rack comes off the plugs go back in the threaded holes.

I hope this makes sense.

The "real" plugs are a minutia detail for those chasing parts that don't exist.
"Hens teeth".

_________________
 


Last edited by Chip Flor on Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:31 am, edited 4 times in total.

Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 18 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Barry Shay, george r brommer jr, Google [Bot], Jeff McDonald, Phil Planck, Sean M Rooks


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group