Production and HP

356 Porsche-related discussions and questions.
Post Reply
Message
Author
Marc Woontner
356 Fan
Posts: 16
Joined: Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:05 am

Production and HP

#1 Post by Marc Woontner »

1. Can anyone tell me how many 1957 1600 super cabriolets we’re built?

2. How much HP is lost in the transmission hooked up to a 62 S90?

User avatar
Ron LaDow
356 Fan
Posts: 8092
Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:45 am
Location: San Francisco

Re: Production and HP

#2 Post by Ron LaDow »

Marc Woontner wrote:2. How much HP is lost in the transmission hooked up to a 62 S90?
Whatever guess you get is nothing other than a guess, unless the same engine was then put on an engine dyno and the two numbers were compared. Power loss across a transmission is not a constant.
To what are you comparing the engine?
Ron LaDow
www.precisionmatters.biz

Marc Woontner
356 Fan
Posts: 16
Joined: Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:05 am

Re: Production and HP

#3 Post by Marc Woontner »

After a fresh rebuild my S90 dyno’d at 82 hp. I’m trying to see how it compared with a top running stock S90

User avatar
C J Murray
356 Fan
Posts: 9219
Joined: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:24 pm
Location: 30MI WEST OF PHILA
Contact:

Re: Production and HP

#4 Post by C J Murray »

Was the dyno a chassis dyno or an engine dyno? When you ask about transmissions I assume the engine was in a car on a chassis dyno. What brand of dyno is it? They vary. DynoJet is the brand I have worked with and they give results on stock modern cars that are fairly in line with the car company numbers. DynoJet is also very consistent from location to location so they are generally trustworthy. No matter what dyno is used the dyno operator can fake the numbers if they have a profit motive to do so.

When Ron says the answer is a guess he is right but I can tell you a number that has been consistently very close to dead on when testing an engine on a DynoJet chassis dyno, 15%. To get your crankshaft HP take your 82HP/.85 to get 96.5 HP.
'57 Speedster
'59 Sunroof
'60 Devin D Porsche Race Car
'63 Cabriolet "Norm"
'67 911 S Original Owner
'03 Ferrari 575M
'09 Smart Passion

User avatar
Bruce Smith
356 Fan
Posts: 1624
Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:47 am
Location: Rochester, NY
Contact:

Re: Production and HP

#5 Post by Bruce Smith »

The April '64 issue of Panorama published an article on drag vs. HP for various sports cars of the time. Porsche came out on top. No surprise as the 0.32 drag coefficient of a 356 is just slightly higher that the 0.31 coefficient of a new 911-991. The conversion factor used in the article for engine BHP to the wheels was 0.90, but that was the same assumption used across the board for all cars evaluated. More HP is lost to drag and tires than to the drive train, things that a standard chassis dyno doesn't fully measure. The table below shows the comparisons. I've attached the entire article as well.
Attachments
SMITH_388.pdf
(1.78 MiB) Downloaded 18 times
SMITH_386.jpg
Bruce Smith

Marc Woontner
356 Fan
Posts: 16
Joined: Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:05 am

Re: Production and HP

#6 Post by Marc Woontner »

I’m not sure of the name but it was bolted up to the rear wheels using adapters to go from wide 5 to modern 911 bolt pattern.

User avatar
C J Murray
356 Fan
Posts: 9219
Joined: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:24 pm
Location: 30MI WEST OF PHILA
Contact:

Re: Production and HP

#7 Post by C J Murray »

Marc Woontner wrote:I’m not sure of the name but it was bolted up to the rear wheels using adapters to go from wide 5 to modern 911 bolt pattern.
That is not a DynoJet.
'57 Speedster
'59 Sunroof
'60 Devin D Porsche Race Car
'63 Cabriolet "Norm"
'67 911 S Original Owner
'03 Ferrari 575M
'09 Smart Passion

Post Reply