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Morning Ouch

#1 Post by Doug McDonnell » Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:37 pm

Saw this one and felt that although Adam usually says there are no parts cars he might make an exception in this case: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-porsche-356b-5/ S how much is a hood clip worth?
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#2 Post by Adam Wright » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:26 pm

Nope, that's a restoration candidate, if I can sell the one that was in the current Registry magazine, this one too will find a home.
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#3 Post by Sean M Rooks » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:13 pm

The seller is our own Daryle Higginbotham. Daryle, where on earth did you find this poor car? I hope someone restores it, but boy it'll be a labor of love!

I can only imagine the heartache the new owner will have once they blast it clean and take stock of what's left.

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#4 Post by Daryle Higginbotham » Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:34 pm

Hi Team Registry

Local SOG member had this car for years setting behind his house. Wanted the gear box but it was DOA.

Thought about calling you Adam - then I had a great idea.

When was the last time you saw a 356 posted without a reserve?

Listed for sport - Adam jump in anytime :)
 
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#5 Post by Adam Wright » Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:47 pm

Daryle Higginbotham wrote:Hi Team Registry

Local SOG member had this car for years setting behind his house. Wanted the gear box but it was DOA.

Thought about calling you Adam - then I had a great idea.

When was the last time you saw a 356 posted without a reserve?

Listed for sport - Adam jump in anytime :)
I wish you would have called, my kids have been begging me for a trip to Atlanta, they want to see where I grew up, and my wife would have liked to visit her alma mater Agnes Scott. Oh well, I think she has a 20th reunion coming up in a few years.

And for the record, the car I listed above was offered at no reserve, it sold for $14,200, so that give you something to shoot for. Good luck!
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#6 Post by Jim Breazeale » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:29 pm

Adam said"it sold for $14,200, so that give you something to shoot for. Good luck!" You should be very proud of yourself, Adam.
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#7 Post by Adam Wright » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:34 pm

Jim Breazeale wrote:Adam said"it sold for $14,200, so that give you something to shoot for. Good luck!" You should be very proud of yourself, Adam.
It was "matching numbers" and had the original title from 1961, so a one owner car! The only thing missing was Cali black plates!
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#8 Post by Daryle Higginbotham » Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:59 pm

Thanks Adam

Wow - really do not expect to see those kind of numbers - just thinking someone would need it to support another resto project.


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#9 Post by C J Murray » Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:42 pm

Only a fool would restore that car. Even if it was a Carrera 2 you might be upside down. The twin grill roadster in the market report this month had receipts from Willhoit exceeding $400k. I bet that started out nicer than this coupe. Bill Kemper at Panelwerks in Mentor Ohio has a freshly restored T6 coupe for $85K. Write the check and start driving.
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#10 Post by Adam Wright » Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:48 pm

C J Murray wrote:Only a fool would restore that car. Even if it was a Carrera 2 you might be upside down. The twin grill roadster in the market report this month had receipts from Willhoit exceeding $400k. I bet that started out nicer than this coupe. Bill Kemper at Panelwerks in Mentor Ohio has a freshly restored T6 coupe for $85K. Write the check and start driving.
Couple of things to consider on why someone would take on a project like this.
1. You get to spend money over time as you want to, so you can spend $100,000 over 5 years, that works a lot better for a lot of people then plunking down $85,000. Lot easier for a lot of guys to peel off $5000-10,000 at a clip than cash out their 401k. Lot easier to get past the wife too.
2. In the case of the car I mentioned it went to Poland, where metal work is both good and cheap. Also, there are very few projects in Europe, so paying $14,000 for this one, isn't so bad. We are very fortunate here in the US to be able to choose a good project, in Europe they aren't so lucky.
3. The third scenario is the guy who wants a 356, but can't afford much, so he will take the long hill to make his dream a reality. A perfect example is here, he bought this car from me for not much money, is putting in the work and will end up with a cool car. Again, not everyone has $85,000 to just go and buy a Porsche.

So calling anyone who buys a car like this a "fool" is not only not very nice, but is also not very accurate.
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#11 Post by Jim Liberty » Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:02 pm

Daryle, I thought you intended to buff it out, and drive it at the International Meeting in England. You'd get double your money there. True enough, a guy with welding skills could bring this back to life in his garage. Having a shop tackle it, and you'd be $100K+ underwater.
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#12 Post by C J Murray » Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:07 pm

Adam Wright wrote:So calling anyone who buys a car like this a "fool" is not only not very nice, but is also not very accurate.
What is "not very nice" is being in Europe and receiving that pile of scrap and realizing that you paid $14k plus transportation. Your explanation is BS. Most of the people who post here have enough experience with these cars to know better. I hope the poor bugger who bought that thing has recovered from the trauma by now.
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#13 Post by C J Murray » Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:10 pm

Jim Liberty wrote:Daryle, I thought you intended to buff it out, and drive it at the International Meeting in England. You'd get double your money there. True enough, a guy with welding skills could bring this back to life in his garage. Having a shop tackle it, and you'd be $100K+ underwater.
Jim, you must charge really reasonable rates.
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#14 Post by Adam Wright » Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:13 pm

C J Murray wrote:
Adam Wright wrote:So calling anyone who buys a car like this a "fool" is not only not very nice, but is also not very accurate.
What is "not very nice" is being in Europe and receiving that pile of scrap and realizing that you paid $14k plus transportation. Your explanation is BS. Most of the people who post here have enough experience with these cars to know better. I hope the poor bugger who bought that thing has recovered from the trauma by now.
It's not nice because it's elitist and snobby to just say "write the check."
If you're ok sounding like a snob looking down on the people who don't have your means, but still have appreciation for Porsche, than carry on. Nobody likes a snob.
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#15 Post by Daryle Higginbotham » Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:21 pm

Hi Team Registry

Here is what I posted on BaT for your review and entertainment.



Well, first and foremost I posted this on BaT for “SPORT” knowing there will be a lot of couch potato’s out there avoiding cleaning up in the kitchen and watching football.

The timing of this post was intentional.

Like most of you I love cars – more over the process of getting them back on the road. I am working on another 356 with a bad gearbox – bought this old girl hoping the trans was repairable. Well, at some time it was ran dry and killed!

Monty Python ” Ceased to be – Gone to meet its maker – ITS DEAD!”

Can You – Bring the 356 back to life? – Yes of course!

Should You – Only if you do not mind having more parts and labor in it than he car is worth.

Will You – Is up to you but I suggest not.

I feel sure there is a BaT Porsche 356 Guy/Gal scrounging for parts to resurrect a car with missing parts that would benefit from having this in old girl in the back yard.

B Brakes for a pre-A or A car – Yea Buddy!

ZF Steering Box for a pre A or A car – Of Course!

Access to that M8 nut that measures 14mm to keep your Concours car at 100 points – Priceless!

I would be glad to answer any questions about the usability of any parts on the car, but do not expect me to respond to the sporting banter. I spend most of my time in my shop working on projects and not in front of a computer.

Oh yea, regarding the ID tag rivets, I will pull off the door plate and take a few more photos for your review and let Team BaT make the call on originality.

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