The Little Details
- Eric McKinley
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The Little Details
I have a question in relation to the location of a screw which I see is located on the rubber trim on a 356C.
The piece of trim I refer to is the rubber part that is sliced at an angle at the inside edge of the door and folded and glued in place.
I have noticed on unrestored cars that there is one small screw located at the fold of the rubber trim.
This appears to be missing on the majority of restored cars that I have seen, my car included.
I am assuming that this is to aid the trim to stay in place and not lift.
I do not think it is required as the trim passes under the door panel and is held in place, however it would be nice to be period correct.
The piece of trim I refer to is the rubber part that is sliced at an angle at the inside edge of the door and folded and glued in place.
I have noticed on unrestored cars that there is one small screw located at the fold of the rubber trim.
This appears to be missing on the majority of restored cars that I have seen, my car included.
I am assuming that this is to aid the trim to stay in place and not lift.
I do not think it is required as the trim passes under the door panel and is held in place, however it would be nice to be period correct.
- Charles H Jacobus
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Re: The Little Details
Great question Eric and not to steal your thread, but there must be an appropriate angle for the door handle to set at also and notice these are 180 degrees from each other (one facing forward and one facing back). It would also be nice to know how they should be set. When I had mine in the 60s and early 70s I thought I remembered they were parallel to the door card angle, but it's been too long for my memory to recall it with clarity.
ChuckJ
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- Vic Skirmants
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Re: The Little Details
Door handle facing forward. Installed at an angle that has the handle just short of touching the door cap when in the locked position.
- Eric McKinley
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Re: The Little Details
Charles,
The tan interior is more correct, the other I believe is pointing the wrong direction.
Here is a picture of mine, again I believe this is correct with maybe a slight downwards tilt.
I am sure Doug will be able to give an exact position.
The tan interior is more correct, the other I believe is pointing the wrong direction.
Here is a picture of mine, again I believe this is correct with maybe a slight downwards tilt.
I am sure Doug will be able to give an exact position.
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Re: The Little Details
Thanks Vic and Eric.
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- Doug McDonnell
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Re: The Little Details
Bruce Balker's take on the handles: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=22026&hilit=inner+door+handle As far as the screw in the rubber one would have to look at an all original never painted car or multiple cars but no 356 I have owned ever had a screw there or evidence of a screw hole for where the rubber puckers.
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- Eric McKinley
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Re: The Little Details
Here is a picture of a door, it looks to be in the process of restoration.
I can see the screw in place.
However as many as I see with it, I see an equal amount without it.
I can see the screw in place.
However as many as I see with it, I see an equal amount without it.
- Mike Wilson
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Re: The Little Details
I, too, wondered about the orientation of the interior door handle and window crank. Checking out the video, "Made by Hand", it looks like the door handle is set at 7:00 o'clock and, with the window down, the crank at 5:00 o'clock.
Personally, with the door locked from the inside and the window up, I like the door handle and window crank facing forward and parallel.
Mike
Personally, with the door locked from the inside and the window up, I like the door handle and window crank facing forward and parallel.
Mike
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- Doug McDonnell
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Re: The Little Details
Personal communication from Bruce Baker who has been restoring them for decades: "The forward door seal rubber was held by a screw and finish washer at the cut overlap primarily on most 356s with the later front seal. The early seal, which was the same as the rear on all, has also been noted to have the additional screw at that cut....but as usual, this is all in the "made by hand" scenario which is in the mantra of "never say never and never say always" in regard to the 356s.
I can say that all of the original 356C cars I have seen had that added screw, even if ignored when the rubber was renewed. The hole was there" And that Eric is "from the horses mouth" IMHO. Or as close to it as I get get.
I can say that all of the original 356C cars I have seen had that added screw, even if ignored when the rubber was renewed. The hole was there" And that Eric is "from the horses mouth" IMHO. Or as close to it as I get get.
1965 356C 2000 BMW 740i Sport 1967 Honda CL77 There is never enough time to do it right, but always enough time to do it over.
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Re: The Little Details
Every original, unrestored 356 I've seen has had the screw in the front corner of the seal whether early or late type seal. The exception is Drauz built cars, which did not have this screw. I can't say for sure about D'Ieteren Roadsters or very early pre-As.
The first photo shows an unrestored early T1. The second photo shows an unrestored Drauz Roadster (Convertible Ds are the same). Note on the second photo the correct orientation of the door handle on all T2-T6 cars. The rule of thumb is the handle in the resting, unlocked position points to the corner where the aforementioned screw usually is. Of course, T1s and earlier were completely different as far as door handle placement.
The first photo shows an unrestored early T1. The second photo shows an unrestored Drauz Roadster (Convertible Ds are the same). Note on the second photo the correct orientation of the door handle on all T2-T6 cars. The rule of thumb is the handle in the resting, unlocked position points to the corner where the aforementioned screw usually is. Of course, T1s and earlier were completely different as far as door handle placement.
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- Wil Mittelbach
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Re: The Little Details
As another reference in addition to Chuck's:-
Herewith a photo of my unrestored 65C cab's door panel, door handle (in lock position), window crank (in window up position) and original door trim with its afore noted trim screw.
All are in their original condition/positions having never been removed/reinstalled.
- Wil
Herewith a photo of my unrestored 65C cab's door panel, door handle (in lock position), window crank (in window up position) and original door trim with its afore noted trim screw.
All are in their original condition/positions having never been removed/reinstalled.
- Wil
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Re: The Little Details
Doug, Chuck, Wil,
Thank you for taking the time to respond and give me an answer in relation to the door screw.
I know it is such a small detail however it is a detail that Porsche seen fit to place there, so I shall retain it myself.
The handle orientation is another detail that is incorrect in so many cars along with the orientation of the luggage strap brackets.
Good to see an untouched car as yours Wil to use as a reference.
Thank you for taking the time to respond and give me an answer in relation to the door screw.
I know it is such a small detail however it is a detail that Porsche seen fit to place there, so I shall retain it myself.
The handle orientation is another detail that is incorrect in so many cars along with the orientation of the luggage strap brackets.
Good to see an untouched car as yours Wil to use as a reference.
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Re: The Little Details
Good eye, Eric! I'm going to add this to my restored 64 SC cab now that I've seen Wil's picture ...
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Re: The Little Details
I bought these from a registry member last year and have just got around to putting them on today.
I do like the look of grills on the headlights, however I understand it is not to everyone's taste.
What I do like about these cars is how easy it is to change the look, bumpers off or on, grills no grills.
I do like the look of grills on the headlights, however I understand it is not to everyone's taste.
What I do like about these cars is how easy it is to change the look, bumpers off or on, grills no grills.
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Re: The Little Details
Eric -
I have headlight grills on my T5. I put them on after I holed an asymmetrical Euro lens! I think they look great and are functional, but it certainly is a personal taste. I have grills on my Series 3 Land Rover, but those are a bit more agricultural!
Mark
I have headlight grills on my T5. I put them on after I holed an asymmetrical Euro lens! I think they look great and are functional, but it certainly is a personal taste. I have grills on my Series 3 Land Rover, but those are a bit more agricultural!
Mark
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