Edwin Ek wrote:Bill, I don't follow the first part of your post. What does 220160 have to do with this car?
It's the VIN for the second "car".
Think that oil filler is the right one for this car. The tall can didn't arrive until the Euro heating system did--If it had a Euro heater, maybe, but it doesn't. I think Mecum's valuation is way off the mark, and it's a no reserve car as well. It will be interesting to watch. Love to take a look to see if it's at least 616/7....
The first listed car shows some inconsistent variations in the photographs of the car...
There are some photographs that show a builders badge on the drivers side and also an antenna that comes and goes...
Will check the car out in Monterey next week...
KTF
John
I happen to have some personal insight regarding 89748 the twin grill "cabriolet". A lot of Mecum's information about the car is obviously wrong, but assuming they are correct about the previous long term owner being Bob Lewis, they are correct about him being meticulous and very knowledgeable. I was good friends with one of his sons growing up (he even let us drive his cars) and remember seeing the wide variety of Porsches he owned, all of which were maintained to very high standards. He would never have owned anything which wasn't a very nice example. I have no idea what happened to the car after he passed and it was sold, but it's safe to assume that it's a solid car unless it's been abused since his estate sold it. We also lived in a part of Washington state where annual rainfall is less than 7 inches a year, so 89748 spent a lot of time in a very dry climate.
Martin Benade wrote:Is it possible a couple of pictures were somehow reversed to get badge or mirror on the wrong side?
Only fitted with one ( C ) mirror, the badge is on both pictures. (and then it isn't !) Same with the antenna, in a few pictures it has one, and then it doesn't. It'll be interesting to look at close up.
Clever photos of seats. No shot of Porsche crease on the bottom. No photo of ID plate, crudely masked or removed and replaced properly, lots of shots of shinny paint but no bottom pics, engine pressure washed but no decals or 2 hours spent detailing it. MHO a fright pig fluffed and buffed for sale. The winning bidder will be an Iowa pig farmer that spent to much time in the free bidders bar.
Roy Lock and I wrote an article on the twin grill roadsters after extensive research of factory records.
IIRC there were a total of 75 S90 twin grills. so roughly 30% of all T6 roadsters built were S90s
89748 was not one of these 75. It left the factory as a 1600N. The write up is risky to say the least. It was indeed Oslo blue originally albeit with a red interior. D'ieteren badge should not be on the driver's side.
John, i have a quite a bit of info on 89805 (1600S, slate gray) and 89758 (signal red 1600N). None of it showing it got disc brakes at the factory.
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Jules. I have Kardex on both cars from the RENO days. 805 has an S90 serial number makes it a 62. I bought it from the original owner, 758 was originally ruby, had a super and was interesting, top fuel sender, ATE disc, fog lights, leather. I bought it in 72 from the guy that bought it in Germany. It was quicker than both the other roadster and my 912. I had a letter and photos from the original owner in the late 80's validating the factory brakes, etc. But the KARDEX data did not match either car.
John Brooks
62 Roadster
66 912
84 Cab
getting pushed around in porsches since 1965
The second car should be taken for what it is, namely an outlaw. As for the restoration quality, I can tell you that West Coast Restorations are a quality restoration Shop. If you saw this car up close, you would be impressed by the quality of their work.If you don't like the style of the car itself, at least look at it as for what it is.
Rob
64 C Coupe
67 V.W. Type 1 (west coast restorations)
67 Mini Cooper S
68 Land Rover 2a Bug Eye
61 TR3a
do you have pics of the D at the factory with the disk brakes or just these racing pics? AFAIK the factory only offered annular disk brakes at that time? 86368 was sold to France when new and was Meissen blue.
Roy and I spent quite a bit of time researching the Twin Grill roadsters using various sources in the US and EU.
89805 was sold new with engine 7005xx to Arlington, VA and had reclining seats as only option.
89758 had engine 6081xx and was sold new in Germany to a german gentleman. It was signal red 6211B with black vinyl. had a few options, chrome wheels, luggage rack and a deluxe horn ring amongst them. It spent a few years in Germany.
I'd like to see the Mecum car up close, looks ok from the pictures but this one has a story to tell.
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do you have pics of the D at the factory with the disk brakes or just these racing pics? AFAIK the factory only offered annular disk brakes at that time.
Jules-
I know one person who doesn't read my articles....
The story was that Dr. David Helmick was drafted in the early 60s, and they let you bring your car, so he brought the D, drove/raced it all over Europe, even at Le Mans. He took it to the Factory and had them put the discs on, probably around 64, because the pics I have from earlier than that still have drums.
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Check out my Barn Find column in the Registry magazine, always looking for good stories.
Jules,
I own 89764. I have the factory Kardex that has two dates located beneath the VIN. Ausgel.am 13.3.62 and Abnahre-Besch. 14.3.62. Do you know what these dates mean. Also the Motor-Nr. is listed as 7017xx, beneath this is a heading Motor-And-Nr. with hand written (all other notations are typed) KD-P-812155, km 41152 AB:12.6.64, a. Mahap. The hand writing looks like a doctor wrote it so I might not have it 100% correct. The engine I have is the SC 812155. Does this mean it was installed by Porsche?
Thanks for any info you can help me with.
Ed
