Rear Axle Problem

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Re: Rear Axle Problem

#16 Post by Vic Skirmants » Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:08 am

What does the other side look like? Does it have a generous chamfer?

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Re: Rear Axle Problem

#17 Post by PaulLima » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:08 am

Yes it does; I don't understand why that wasn't enough, but I find than now, with the washer, there is no loosening of the nut.

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#18 Post by David Baugh » Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:34 pm

Hi, Paul.

Could you please describe the "appropriate washer" that you have installed? Part #?
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Re: Rear Axle Problem

#19 Post by David Jones » Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:17 pm

David the appropriate washer is probably no longer available. There used to be a washer and a nut but with the "B" the washer was integrated into the nut probably because people were putting the washer back on with the bevel out and thereby allowing the drum to come loose. The "B" nut has the washer integrated in to it. If you have still the original style switch to the new style next time you do your bearings/seals.
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Re: Rear Axle Problem

#20 Post by David Baugh » Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:33 pm

Hi, David.

I changed my car over to the later style flanged nut many years ago and all went well, until I had my rear drums reconditioned like Paul. Now I have an issue with the left rear that seems similar to Paul's. I note that Stoddard lists the A car washer, and was curious to know if that is the item that Paul used, and whether he placed it between the later style nut and the hub, or used the early nut as well. Or, was it some other washer that he used? Does the early washer have a deeper chamfer than the later flanged nut?
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Re: Rear Axle Problem

#21 Post by Jon Bunin » Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:22 pm

Examples of rear axle nuts removed from various 356 models.
There was only one Porsche part number for the B and C flanged nuts.
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Re: Rear Axle Problem

#22 Post by MICHAEL FOSTER » Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:32 pm

Did you use the additional washer on inside or outside of drum?

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Re: Rear Axle Problem

#23 Post by David Jones » Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:15 pm

The original nut and washer were a carry over from the VW rear axle and the washer went on the outside of the drum with the bevel facing away from the nut. I doubt your problem is the same as Paul Lima but if you swap the drums from side to side you would find out if the problem was the spline or the axle.
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Re: Rear Axle Problem

#24 Post by PaulLima » Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:36 pm

Here is the washer I used: https://www.mcmaster.com/#93162A380 ID is slightly bigger than the OD of the splines, and OD is slightly bigger than the nut flange. Rockwell C38 is plenty hard for this job. It is thin enough that the cotter key goes in without trouble.

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Re: Rear Axle Problem

#25 Post by Martin Benade » Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:13 pm

Jon, art the two larger integral washer bolts stepped on the back so they mainly clamp on the splined insert and less on the drum? That is what it looks like, which would be the opposite of what solved Paul's problem.

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Re: Rear Axle Problem

#26 Post by PaulLima » Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:59 pm

Martin is correct. The problem appears to be that the axle nut was at least partially clamping on the axle spline and not so much on the drum. The washer (which I placed right under the axle nut) guarantees clearing the splines and putting all the clamping force on the drum where it belongs.

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#27 Post by Martin Benade » Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:50 pm

I cannot tell from Jon's pictures what is "up" and what is "down". My take on it is that the nut/washer should especially tighten down on the spline insert but maybe that is an optical illusion. And I don't know which part is really supposed to be clamped, so I am probably not correct about anything here.

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Re: Rear Axle Problem

#28 Post by Brad Ripley » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:51 am

Is the axel an original or a replacement Sway-a-Way?

Since you mention Martin having worked on the splines, are those inserts still within spec thickness? See below for factory drawing of the spline insert and general drawing of the drum x-section. Note the thickness of 48 plus/minus 0,15 .
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Re: Rear Axle Problem

#29 Post by Jon Bunin » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:27 am

Martin Benade wrote:I cannot tell from Jon's pictures what is "up" and what is "down".
My take on it is that the nut/washer should especially tighten down on the spline insert but maybe that is an optical illusion. And I don't know which part is really supposed to be clamped, so I am probably not correct about anything here.
Martin, the hex side of the nuts (top photo) face outward, the flanged side (bottom photo) face the drum.
You're correct, the contact surface of the later nuts is stepped away from the flange, and should only contact the splined steel insert of the drum.

Excellent information, Brad.
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Re: Rear Axle Problem

#30 Post by JERRY LANDES » Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:23 am

Brad you mentioned Sway Away replacement axels. Is there a problem using them? I'm asking because I just replaced my axels on the A coupe and have had a couple of issues.

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