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1961-1962 Only----A Sleek and Very Rare Hardtop Coupe---- Styled Over a Cabriolet Body

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I like to use the term "COUPERIOLET", as the notchback really started out from the factory as a cabriolet. Many became couperiolets by having their welded tops removed again.
The first built 1961 Karmann notchback T-5's started out as Reutter cabriolets that had hard tops welded on permanently. These were the very first Porsche's built by Karmann, but were not badged on the right side fender until the T-6 models.
A unique "Karmann Hardtop" or "Notchback" 356B model was produced in 1961 and 1962. The 1961 production run was essentially a cabriolet body with the optional steel cabriolet hardtop welded in place. The 1962 line (T6 production) was a very different design in that the new T6 notchback coupé body did not start life as a cabriolet, but with its own production design—In essence, part cabriolet rear end design, part T6 coupe windshield frame, unique hard top. Both years of these unique cars have taken the name "Karmann Notchback"
Below are the 1961 T5, 1961 T6, and 1962 T6 Notchbacks survivors that were originally listed on the, now defunct, `Unofficial Notchback Registry`
Plus a few more that have been added in as being survivors - If you know a serial# not here, please post and I will add it to the following list of 111 T-5s and 53 T-6s so far:

One of these rare cars, a conversion to a cabriolet was reported as stolen. Please scroll down for details of Vin 202286 with Engine AT*P 705291

200 003 - In Australia, unrestored - Stewart Webster
200 005
200 006 – S-90 Sunroof prototype and factory mule car originally owned by Hans Klauser , unrestored - Ibrahim Kuzu
200 008 - In Tampa, FL
200 016 - LHD, Ebay 1/2014, Ohio, Atna Blue/Black basketcase, built March 15, 1961
200 022
200 033 - Unrestored, project per Adam Wright
200 025
200 043 -
200 050 - Restored as a convertible, Atna Blue/Red - Harvey Rosenthal
200 078 – John Carlson, Bernard Widmann project, unrestored, in primer.
200 083
200 018
200 128 – Sold by Euro. Collectables
200 149 - Only the drivers door tags remain color code tag was 6002.
200 174 – RHD in the UK - Hendrik Moulds
200 149 - All that remains is the serial number tag and paint code 6002
200 177 - LHD in Porto, Portugal, Driver condition for sale 12/2013 for £52,500.00
200 208
200 211 - Needs complete restoration - Randall Hancock
200 219 – Now a Convertible
200 223 - Restored, Red w/Black interior. Car sold at auction in France, June 2015.
200 231 - Herron Gray, interior was blue vinyl now red leather. Originally 60 HP, now 90. Excellent condition in Utah 7/2016 $9500.00
200 233 - Being restored as a "Couperiolet" in Dixon, NM, having the top removed by Gary Smith.
200 256 - Restored Red w/black interior for sale At Precious Metals Fine Motor Cars of San Diego
200 262
200 279 - Built 5/25/1961 - LHD in the USA - Steve Restelli
200 280 - Needs restoration, in Santa Fe, NM - William McGowan
200 288
200 294 - France
200 296
200 309 - LHD in USA Engine# 606054, driver condition
200 311 - Built 6/8/61 factory side spears, Couperiolet conversion, 65-C motor, originally red now black w/tan restomod
200 312 - In Switzerland, older restoration in driver condition - Dieter Bruehlmann
200 316 - restored 2017, 48,352 miles, located Central Florida, all correct minus a color change. Color was changed
200 320 - UK
200 334 - UK, London FS/Ebay, engine#P88740, LHD, Needs total restoration £5,000.00 5/8/2014
200 335 - located in Mount Joy, PA. It has been completely restored. I have owned it since 1978. Ed Strickler
200 340 – Cut up by Al Zim
200 364 - Ivory, undergoing full restoration
200 370
200 373 - USA, Restored 30 years ago LHD, Ebay 1/2013 Red/Tan
200 376 - Corona, CA car, red w/black interior, 1600s with S-90 motor, older restoration
200 378 - Engine# 89706, Restored
200 371 - Aetna blue, red interior, restored with 1720 on a 912 motor, Salt Lake City, UT For Sale on Samba for $87,500 12/26/2016
200 396 - Red w/black interior. Matching numbers driver quality for sale on Ebay $88,888.00 1/8/2017. Saddle Brook, NJ
200 397
200 402
200 403 - Converted to a couperiolet in Dallas, TX, S-90, restored, built 6.27.81, show quality selling on Ebay 9.23.15
200 408 - Heron with Red; 1600 Super. All matching #s has complete history of the car from factory to Hoffmann in NY
200 409
200 413 - Cut down into a couperiolet, located in the UK, painted black with a white hard top.
200 443 - Repainted white, matching #s for engine (1720 Shasta upgrade) and transmission, nice driver in Washington State.
200 446
200 448
200 449
200 476 – RHD in the UK - Mike Smith
200 488 - LHD concours restoration by Export 56
200 496
200 500 - Project car was found in Atlanta GA 1996. Slate Grey and a Super 90 with red Interior
200 501 - All that is left of this car is a damaged front and top and the serial# tags. I don't think this one will live again!
200 509
200 515
200 516
200 517 - Found in a barn in VA now fully restored. Original Heron grey over black.
200 538
200 569 - Restored Auratium Green 200569 was driven to Sedona from GA & won best B at the 50th anniversary of the B Holiday.
200 636 - matching number Super 90 1961 Notchback - Royal Blue - Light grey interior, with trim strips.
200 639 - Good Driver
200 558
200 598 - Converted to Cabrio & RHD in Australia
200 627 – Race Car
200 681 - Almost in driving condition as of 12/19/2014
200 694
200 700
200 717 - LHD, Complete, Little rust, needs restoration in Hilo, Hawaii - F/S 1/2014
200 731 - Good Driver, in Virginia
200 736 - Needs restoration, in California with a C motor.
200 748
200 754 - Germany
200 781
200 783 - Restored, for sale in UK for € 82,000 9/2014
200 784
200 797 - Restored, RM Auction sale $82500.00 10/10/2014, tan interior, 2 tone blue w/black top. Engine# 606494 (616/1) Built 8.25.1961
200 803 - Restored driver,Aetna Blue/Grey, BAT Auction sale 9/17/2014 in Huntington Beach, CA for $64010.00
200 831 - Survivor same owner since 1969, Being restored in Vacaville, CA after being retired since 1980.
200 841
200 844
200 853
200 855
200 856
200 866
200 867 – Silver paint, built August 22, 1961, well preserved notchback - SoCal
200 868 – Vincent Vuong, Florida, being painted black with red interior
200 880 – Restored, award winning restoration, on Ebay 12/2013 asking $249,900
200 885 - Restored, red w/black interior on Ebay 8/2014 asking $109,900.00, Fort Lauderdale, FL
200 890 - Converted to Cabrio & RHD in Melbourne, Australia - Rafik Dous
200 906 - Converted to Cabrio, paint code 6006 sold in 2007 by symbolicmotors.com
200 914 - Bob Campbell owned/sold this one a number of years back, in SoCal. Nice, solid car.
200 922 - Holland
200 952
200 954 - Ruby Red driver, black interior built 9/4/61 w/normal engine Wisconsin
200 971 - Heron Grey with Red Leatherette interior. Completed 9/5/61 and is in Hayward WI.
200 981
200 982 - LHD Restored, California car, 3rd owner,356 magazine p.16 1/2014
200 934 – Sold by Bev. Hills Car Club
200 935 - In Italy, White with Red interior. Original 6v unrestored for sale @ € 90.000,00 on prewar.com January 8, 2016
200 997
200 999 - Holland
201 007 - Slate Grey w/ Red interior, restored in the 1990's, SC motor, for sale in Michigan $69900.00 7/22/14. Offered for sale 11/2016 in Frankfort for 125.000 EURO €
201 031
201 044 - slate grey with red interior restoration project
201 047 – RHD in the UK

201 048 – Last T5 Notch not known if it survives

1961 T-6 Notch List

201 201
201 641 - Built 9/29/61, motor# 700118, Trans# 50384, Ruby Red/Grey, Sold by European Collectables, driver
201 678 - Super Engine number 700196, white w/brown interior, not original heron grey, very good driver in
Sonoma County, CA
201 689
201 717 - Restored Black. Originally purchased in Regina Saskatchewan in 1961, my father was the 3rd owner & restored car resides in Kelowna, BC, Canada. It is a 1962 T6 1600s
201 724 - Sunroof S90, Paint 6203, Built 10/17/61, currently Silver, Red interior, Sold on Ebay 11/25/16 for $57,100.00 not running
201 725 - Bali Blue (6212), with light brown interior C, built 10/20/1961. Beautifully restored car on Ebay 3/20/15 for $109,900.00
201 742 - From SoCal. It's a T-6, with original Super 90 engine and original factory ELECTRIC sunroof
201 812 - Project car belonging to Ivelin Todorov in Bulgaria
201 809 - New Zealand, restored driver, blue paint, Built October 1961 - Kip Colvey
201 822 - Driver, original unrestored, red paint
201 862
201 870 - Restored driver in Auckland, New Zealand - Phil Harris
201 973 - Ivory and restored was driven to the PA holiday & is still around in GA.
201 874 - Silver w/blue interior. Sold 8/17/2013 Mecum Auctions Hyatt Regency Monterey, CA for $85,600.00
201 875 - Roof cut off, probably sold for parts
201 879 - Unrestored project, per Adam Wright
201 988 - Matching engine# 700698, red with tan interior. Needs full restoration FS by BHCC 10/2014 for $24,750.00
202 006 - Original matching#s survivor driver, Slate Grey/Red interior sold by Paul Russell, Essex, MA $95,000 5/2017
202 012 - Very rusty, no engine, needs extensive restoration, ebay 3/25/14, NY
202 055 - Restoration project in San Francisco 12/2013 Carplanet.com, $29995.00
202 056 - Fully restored location close to Lyon France, Jacques KENIL
202 086 - Fully restored, factory side molding, ruby red, black interior, for sale in Wisconsin $75,000.00 on Ebay 1/2018
202 119 - Restored, Ruby Red located in Washington
202 122 - Dark grey paint, Purchased in California in 2005, and is undergoing restoration in 2015
202 130 - Driver condition - Randall Hancock
202 133 - Driver condition, Euro car now in USA - Bob Kelly
202 136 - Driver condition, in Orem, Utah, engine is from a 1957 356-A
202 137 - Restored years ago, Oslo Blue, with Fawn interior, for sale 9/2014 in Miami, FL for $62,000
202 154 - Oslo Blue/Red interior. chrome wheels, Blaupunkt AM/FM, wood steering wheel, good cond. 7/16 European Collectables $97.500
202 158 - Driver condition, Texas - Mark Roth
202 159 - Fully restored, numbers matching Super engine - Tom Wavrin


1962 T-6 Notch List

202 199 - Built January 3, 1962. Originally oslo blue on light gray leatherette, chrome wheels as an option. Engine 1600n 60773x, trans526xx. Conti tires, sold new by Brumos, FL. Originally oslo blue on light gray leatherette, chrome wheels as an option. Engine 1600n 60773x, trans526xx. Stashed away for 35 years awaiting restoration.
202 200 - Restored driver condition, originally oslo blue/red, now silver/red built 1/5/62, for sale on Hemmings 9/2014 for $65,000
202 204
202 212 - 1962 t-6 notch S
202 220
202 229 - Driver, Delivered 01/12/1962 Engine: 607784 Transmission: 52863, Heron Grey, Tan Interior
Color: Heron Grey / Green
202 230 - LHD Basketcase project, in process of restoration for sale 356registry 2/25/14 $ 30,000 Hillsborough, NC
202 231 - Herron Gray. Original interior was blue vinyl. Now red leather.It's now has 96,000 miles on a 90 HP with an excellent California rebuild.
202 247 - Restored outlaw in Florida - Russell Hibbard - Autoweek http://www.autoweek.com/article/2013120 ... /131209974
202 248
202 250 - Restored, USA - Jerry Bertlett
202 259 - Austria,sunroof driver F/S 4/2014 $65K Euro Ebay/Germany,Motor#16154,6206 silver
202 286 - Stolen Converted to Cabriolet, red/black, stolen January 15th, 2014 in Eindhoven, the Netherlands.
202 290 - 912 motor, Silver paint, black interior. Restored in 1995 by Beaufort, UK. In Oslo, Norway. Sold July 1, 2015 for $51,000
Please contact the owner Ed Muris 0031-(0)6-53811708, ed@m3.nl, if you have any information.
202 293 - LHD, 85% restored, ebay removed (private sale?) fs 4/1/14, Costa Mesa, CA

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Here are archived links to the former Notchback Registry:

https://web.archive.org/web/20091031060 ... rdtops.php

https://web.archive.org/web/20091031060 ... rdtops.php

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1961 356B T5 Karmann Hardtop #200279 Sports Coupe named "Carmine"


2nd & 4th Owner of this car 1970-73 found again on Ebay in 2013 & bought it back 128K miles


 



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 11:47 am 
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Great question! You could start a pictorial gallery of the ones that have been seen. I have at least a couple I can share once I get back to my office.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 12:12 pm 
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Steve,

I've always liked the T-5 Notch's, owned a couple, and heard a few stories about guys wanting to make them back into a Cab, but I have NEVER actually seen a converted car. Finding an available soft top frame is it's own problem.

This will be interesting, thanks,

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There is one in Jacksonville that has had the top removed, but the long time owners are planning to weld it back on in the near future.

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After looking through the 80 pages of photos I have posted on the samba here are a few that I've seen.

Florida Owners Group Gathering of the Faithful & RRR II in Daytona


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Formerly of Gainesville, Florida. I think Adam picked this and another up a couple of years ago.


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These two were photographed at the SOG Bull Session a few years back.


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Car 2


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I think this was a 2nd one in Gainesville. Maybe Adam can confirm this.


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Not sure if this is one....Perhaps someone can chime in...This was a bad a$$ race car at Rennsport in Daytona


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One last one I took a picture of in Tampa Bay at a Florida Owners Group event.


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#4 race car is an A with a hardtop; doesn't count.

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I have been looking to see if this one survived. Went from Michigan to California around 1976-1978. A friend bought it new and here is a picture of a picture taken shortly after he bought it. Somewhere I have the engine #.


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Here's one I saw in some photo's posted on Instagram of the WCH


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There was one Notchback and one C Cab from that stash. The C cab went to Europe, but the Notchback is still here, a super rare T6 Notch!


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