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Re: On headlight lenses....

#61 Post by Alan Hall » Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:07 am

I have one of these lenses with a Hella logo at the bottom with made in Germany and "oben" at the top and nothing else, at least no other numbers. Any idea of vintage?
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Re: On headlight lenses....

#62 Post by Jan Kolm » Mon Jun 01, 2015 6:20 am

The lens should have "60370" and "HELLA" cast into the inner lip at the top and a triangle, followed by a single digit cast at the bottom. What is that number?

Also, does the lens have the "vestigial oval" at the center?

Without further details, I would guess mid-year 1956 to 1957 356A.
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Re: On headlight lenses....

#63 Post by James Davies » Mon Jun 01, 2015 8:46 am

Hi Alan, I have one of those lenses too. Mine has a "4' cast into the backside lip at the bottom. These may have been used in '57, or they were replacement lenses? Not sure. Through early '57, it seems original equipment lenses were still the "2" version without the "Made in Germany" at the bottom.

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#64 Post by Alan Hall » Mon Jun 01, 2015 6:09 pm

Jan and Jim, You quys are right on, it has the "60370" and "HELLA" at the top and the triangle with a number "4" at the bottom. (I never noticed those marks before!) No vestigial oval, the only lens I have with the vestigial oval is a VW with the VW mark. Wish I had a couple lenses with the oval but without the "VW" as that is what I need for my '53.
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Re: On headlight lenses....

#65 Post by Roy Smalley » Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:20 pm

What is the significance of the 60370? I have a pair of lenses...probably the oldest I have...as follows: 180E 25-4-SB, below that 180 E0/25-4-SB2 To the left of those numbers is "3-60370" which is visible with the headlight assembly assembled. It is not on the lip. At the top is OBEN and at the bottom center HELLA. To the right of HELLA is 180 E 25-5-SB2 and below that 180E25-51-SB2.... all raised numbers letters.

I am trying to determine if these lenses are correct for a 56, and if not what are they? And does anyone have a pair correct they will sell...or trade. Have a number of good later lenses.
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Re: On headlight lenses....

#66 Post by Jan Kolm » Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:09 am

Since the "3-60370" is cast onto the face of the lens, it dates from approximately 1959 through 1963.

Early 1956 model year lenses are the same as 1953-55, with the "vestigial oval" and a small Hella logo at the bottom. Sometime during the model year, the vestigial oval disappeared, but otherwise the lens was unchanged.
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#67 Post by Roy Smalley » Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:05 am

Thanks Jan, appreciate your response.....a truism if you have parts is "you will need it later". I rarely sell parts for that reason, but sold the set above to a nice guy that needed them then for a 53 plus they had been in a box here for at least 20 years so what the heck. Now I need them...but hopefully some will show up.
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Re: On headlight lenses....

#68 Post by James Davies » Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:26 pm

Hi Roy, the '53 headlights had Euro fluted lenses on them, which are pretty common (see photos further up in this thread). The very rare sealed-beam lenses had been swapped out at some point a long time ago. The early '56 sealed beam lenses were like the '53 sealed beam lenses - not fluted, but clear glass. Very rare. Everything else in the assembly for the '56 headlights is different from the '53 ones - adjuster mechanism, chrome ring, etc. So none of those parts would have been useful for the '56.

It will be virtually impossible to find correct sealed beam lenses for the '56 car unless someone reproduces them. (Someone should!) The rest of the assembly should be pretty easy though.

The Hella sealed beam headlights were unchanged (bar the lens) from '55 through at least '58. Maybe later? Jan will know. Look for an assembly that has xN or xM date codes. See photos below of a set of late '55 headlights dated the 38th week of '55. Of course they have the incorrect lenses in them. =)
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Re: On headlight lenses....

#69 Post by James Davies » Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:35 pm

This is an early '56 headlight with original lens.

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You can see it has the same spring mechanism as the '55 ones above, with the two pegs in the bottom of the bucket. And it has the '53-56 clear lens with the vestigial oval. The '53-54 sealed beam assemblies are immediately recognizable by having only the one drain hole, not the extra two holes forming a triangle in the bottom of the bucket is it doesn't use the same spring mechanism for the adjusters. See photo below.
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Re: On headlight lenses....

#70 Post by Harold Singh » Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:26 pm

Paul Hatfield wrote:Here are photos of one of the headlights from Miss June- 65 C coupe with production in 1964. It is cut off in the photos, but the headlight is made with 2 rivets, 2 & 8 o'clock for adjustment screws. Headlight retained by straight slot screw, not Phillips.
Back side of headlight shows date code of A27 (27th week of 1964).
Glass markings are all raised above the glass- on the front face of the glass.
28-60370-03
MADE IN GERMANY
HELLA
SB19 SB20 SB21

-Paul

I have the same lights with markings as Paul shows on page 1; I've got a 64C and I'm missing the little block off plate shown in this photo for the 65C lamp. Can that be reproduced? Is that common? I've seen another 64 that didn't have the hole at all and no need for a block off in the lense/bucket. I only have one lamp the has the hole and the need for that little hole cover.

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Re: On headlight lenses....

#71 Post by Mervyn Hyde » Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:05 pm

My unrestored late 62 build RHD obviously has had its lenses replaced earlier in its life due to stone damage in a rally or gymkhana. They are both using the slotted screws but have Bosch lens. This is seemingly not 'correct', unless Australia received different lenses, which I doubt. This is the challenge of unrestored cars I guess. Do you replace such items or accept them as part of the car's past?

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#72 Post by Mervyn Hyde » Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:16 am

Bump on this. Keen to know if Bosch were ever used.
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Re: On headlight lenses....

#73 Post by Jan Kolm » Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:55 pm

Bosch and Hella were both vendors for bulb-type assemblies, but sealed beam (U.S./Canada) assemblies were exclusively Hella.
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#74 Post by Mervyn Hyde » Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:59 pm

Great. Many thanks Jan. I wondered if this was a US-only issue. I looked at two more Australian 356's today and they were Bosch also.
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Re: On headlight lenses....

#75 Post by Dick Weiss » Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:46 pm

Mervyn,

Yes, the Bosch lens is shown incorrect in a Hella bucket assembly; it should have the adjusting screws
@ the 9 & 12 o'clock position. There are @ least 2-versions of Bosch lenses having 4-digit #s near the center.

Also, there aren't any adjusting screws in the fore-mentioned 2 & 7 o'clock position; Only @ 4 & 8 or the approximate
1 & 7 (actually 1-1/2 & 7-1/2) position
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