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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:32 pm 
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When was the switch from the curving numbers at the bottom to the numbers straight across?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:59 pm 
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Edwin Ek wrote:
When was the switch from the curving numbers at the bottom to the numbers straight across?

December 1963.

However, the earlier lights have been found intermittently on Karmann-bodied 356s into the 1965 model year.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:00 am 
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Thanks Jan.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:34 pm 
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Many of us have decided that on our 356s there are only identifiable trends--items that are period correct via date codes, etc. We believe that there few absolutes, specifically as to when the Factory made switches on components from one vendor or type to the next.
So, from my observations, I have to disagree with Jan's comment that:
"Phillips head adjustment and fixing screws are from Jan 1966 and on."
My C Cab, Oct '64, production originally came with Phillips head screws. In fact, I've seen many, many '65 model year 356s with Phillips, not flat head screws (there and many more locations on the car). I believe that most '64 model year 356s were originally equipped with flat head headlight adjustment screws, marking a very minor difference in the two production years for 356 Cs.
Just offering my humble alternative opinion so that those of you "authenticity oriented" who have Phillips head adjust screws in your '65 model year 356s so you do not have to accept as fact, that your 356 is wrongly equipped.
Keep the 356 Faith!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:34 am 
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George Dunn wrote:
Many of us have decided that on our 356s there are only identifiable trends--items that are period correct via date codes, etc. We believe that there few absolutes, specifically as to when the Factory made switches on components from one vendor or type to the next.
So, from my observations, I have to disagree with Jan's comment that:
"Phillips head adjustment and fixing screws are from Jan 1966 and on."
My C Cab, Oct '64, production originally came with Phillips head screws. In fact, I've seen many, many '65 model year 356s with Phillips, not flat head screws (there and many more locations on the car). I believe that most '64 model year 356s were originally equipped with flat head headlight adjustment screws, marking a very minor difference in the two production years for 356 Cs...

I based my observations on VW headlight assemblies. "A" (1964) and "B" (1965) date-coded Hella assemblies have slotted adjusting screws; "C" date codes (1966) have Phillips heads. It's possible that Porsche specified Phillips head adjusting screws from Hella earlier than VW, but not likely. Replacement Hella assemblies were cheap (~$20) and plentiful into the 1980s, and were often replaced as a complete assembly if the lens was broken, cracked or pitted (or the paint was flaking off inside the bucket, which is common to 1964-65 assemblies). Whether or not the rest of the car has Phillips or slotted-head screws is irrelevant. Hella only supplied headlights/sockets, back-up lights and interior lights on 356s (128s were an option). Another test is to check the first digits of the part number on the face of the lens (X-60370-03). If it starts with a single digit (no leading zeroes) and the rim has Phillips head adjusting screws, I may have to reconsider.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:30 pm 
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One lens is a repro but an old one. What are they for? And date?



These assemblies are now in a good home with a 53 cpe, thanks to the Registry.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:24 pm 
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Hi Roy, those are 1953 sealed beam assemblies. Though the fluted lens is for a '53 Euro car. Feel free to send those my way. =}

05L = 5th week of 1953.

1953 was the first year model year that sealed beam assemblies were available on Porsches. Neat find!


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:37 pm 
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Thanks James, really appreciate the response. Had them at least 20 years. Will find a new home with someone who needs them.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:26 am 
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How is possible to know week and year of lights ?

29T = 29th week 1958
27A = 27th week 1964
...B = ...............1965
05L = 5th week 1953

Is there a list with identification year/letters ?
Bosh and Hella same codes/letters ?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:04 am 
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Andrea Scaioli wrote:
How is possible to know week and year of lights ?

29T = 29th week 1958
27A = 27th week 1964
...B = ...............1965
05L = 5th week 1953

Is there a list with identification year/letters ?
Bosh and Hella same codes/letters ?

Andy
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Paul Hatfield wrote a great article about 4 years ago covering date codes in detail. It's linked here.

https://porsche356registry.org/article/237

If you need more information, look here:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=279505

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:46 pm 
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Thank you very much Jan, I really appreciate your help.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:02 am 
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What can you fellows say about these lenses? When were they fitted? Tia


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:29 am 
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Edwin Ek wrote:
What can you fellows say about these lenses? When were they fitted? Tia

Since the "60370" part number is cast into the lip and not on the face of the lens, about 1957-59.

What is the date code stamped on the underside of the bucket?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:59 pm 
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I don't see 60370 anywhere. But maybe that's the point-- that it isn't visible? Picture is from a for-sale ad. Jan, thanks!

Is there a date code on the lense in my picture? If so, where is it?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:07 pm 
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Edwin, I don't believe Hella lenses had date codes. Only the buckets had date codes like in Roy Smalley's photos above, which dated the whole assembly. But since lenses break and get swapped out, its not a reliable way to date lenses unless you know for sure that they've never been apart.

I do know that early 1957 model year Porsches still used Hella sealed beam lenses with the very small "Hella" logo at the bottom with no other writing, so yours must be a bit later, as Jan says.

The 60730 part number would be on the inner lip of the lens. You would have to remove it from the chrome bezel and peel back the rubber gasket to see it. It would probably be at the top going on what the earlier ones are like.


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