On headlight lenses....

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Re: On headlight lenses....

#106 Post by Brooks Herrick » Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:35 pm

Can someone with more knowledge than I have, provide some info. regarding the headlights in the attached photos?
This is what I think I know:
Housing and reflector stamps: 35L means the 35th week of 1953
Bezel: Single rivet means pre 1954.
What appears confusing is the lens is non fluted, yet there is a bulb (non sealed beam). And...there is a VW logo on the lens. Is it possible that on early Porsche cars, VW lenses were used? Is it possible the non fluted lens was replaced with a VW clear lens? I can not find any more info as to what all the other letters and numbers mean. The underlying question is....what do I have? Thanks in advance.


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Re: On headlight lenses....

#107 Post by Jan Kolm » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:53 am

"13 L" is 13th week of 1953. The assembly should have a symmetric fluted Hella lens with no VW logo (silver painted bucket exterior and no "SB" in the part number stamped on the bucket indicates a non-sealed beam assembly).

The sealed beam lens shown is late 1955/early 1956 VW, with no "vestigial oval" in the center of the lens.
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Re: On headlight lenses....

#108 Post by Brooks Herrick » Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:27 pm

Thank you Jan for identifying the headlights and calling out the mismatch that has occurred between the buckets and lenses. Would you (or anyone else) happen to have a photo of the correct lens for these headlight buckets?

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Re: On headlight lenses....

#109 Post by James Davies » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:46 pm

The correct lens would be a fluted lens with a very small Hella logo in an oval at the bottom.

These Hella non-sealed beam headlights were not used on Porsches in 1953. Though a good number of the sealed-beam headlights came with the fluted lenses in 1952-53.

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Re: headlight lens

#110 Post by Richard Koenig » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:33 pm

Thanks, Jan, for your comments about the SB 19-21 lenses.
Unfortunately I am now confused because I thought these lenses started much earlier, around 1959. Also, I don't know now which headlight rings are correct and which headlight units should be used. I have several NOS headlight rings with the 5 & 7 holes at the bottom and some restored buckets for the same with holes for parking light bulbs.
Is there a summary chart somewhere that I could refer to? If so, will you kindly send me a reference?
Thanks, Dick Koenig, Denver.

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Re: headlight lens

#111 Post by Jan Kolm » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:01 am

Dick,

There are three basic varieties of Hella rings with holes at 5 and 7 o'clock used on 356s.

The first type has a single rivet securing the mounting tab and a rolled inner lip. These were used until sometime in 1954.

The second type has two rivets securing the mounting tab and a rolled inner lip. These were used 1954-55.

The third type has two rivets and no rolled inner lip. These were used from about the end of calendar year 1955 to the end of calendar year 1963.

As for the buckets w/parking light holes--if they are the type with the single, bail type spring across the bottom, there are no real differences 1956-63, other than the paint.
- 1956-58: Gloss black w/ silver inside
- 1959: Silver inside and out
- 1960-63: Matte gray inside and out

U.S. market 356Bs do not use the parking light in the bucket - a blanking plate was used 1960 - ~1962 and the hole was eliminated during the 1962 or 1963 model years. I do not believe Brett Johnson has well-defined transition points by chassis numbers.
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