Deep in the garage for 38 years....

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Ibrahim Kuzu · #1 Post by **Ibrahim Kuzu** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:17 pm

1959 Hardtop cabriolet 55K original miles, stored in 1970 ...Finally she is seen the sun light and even took a nice bath.......
Reward of 20 years of waiting, been patient and consistent ....

david johnston · #2 Post by **david johnston** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:06 pm

Are you selling her? David

Sebastian Gaeta · #3 Post by **Sebastian Gaeta** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:58 pm

Ibrahim,

Congrats, the car looks great!

Question: Is there a soft top with it as well? I see the Tenax studs on the rear cowl suggesting a top boot has been used in the past.

Just curious.

Ibrahim Kuzu · #4 Post by **Ibrahim Kuzu** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:13 am

David,
Thank you for asking.Cab is not for sale.

Ibrahim Kuzu · #5 Post by **Ibrahim Kuzu** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:25 am

Sebastian,
Thank you.I do not know how 20 years past by,but was worth it.As you know these are
hardtop cabs,never had from factory soft top, unless you specially ordered one.
in 60's owner custom made full tonue cover to use the car in rain and shine without the hardtop that is why you seen the tenax studs.

Sebastian Gaeta · #6 Post by **Sebastian Gaeta** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:45 am

Ahhhhh,

Thanks Ibrahim, now it makes sense. A tonneau cover; never thought of that!

Alan Robinson · #7 Post by **Alan Robinson** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:42 pm

How do you know the softop wasn't sold or lost years ago?

Ibrahim Kuzu · #8 Post by **Ibrahim Kuzu** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:08 pm

Alan,
Owner who owned the car since 1964 mentioned that she never had a soft top with it.
If one looks carefully, factory build hardtop cabs have a different rear side panels than
cabriolets. Later will post some pictures to fully understand this, I did notice this my self just yesterday. Always learning new things on these beauties.
Took four people and six hours to get her out thru under the intermecanica speedster hanging from the ceiling to sun light....

Tim Herman · #9 Post by **Tim Herman** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:57 pm

Ibrahim's car is a "Hardtop"
Porsche then offered 4 production models announced at the Frankfurt show Sept 1958:
Coupe
Cabriolet
Hardtop
Convertible

Of course it is obvious that the Hardtop was based on the Cabriolet but it was a separate model, marketed and priced separately. Porsche did not offer the car as a "Hardtop Cabriolet" ...ever.

see link for more info:
http://www.356registry.org/Tech/hardtop_brochure.html

Ibrahim Kuzu · #10 Post by **Ibrahim Kuzu** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:59 am

Tim,
Thank you for direction to the great info.

Joost van der Velden · Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:58 am

I am interesed in the difference of the side panels of a hard compaired to a softtop. Anyone?

Captain Wim van der Horst · Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:26 pm

Since cabriolet means convertible why should there be a "cabriolet" and a "convertible"? They should be the same thing. So what was different?

Captain Wim

Tim Herman · #13 Post by **Tim Herman** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:57 pm

Porsche was referring to the new model Convertible which we have come to know and love as the Convertible D...to bad many today are bastardizing the name of the wonderful Speedster replacement using terms Porsche never used such as just "D" or worse yet 356D.

Barry Brisco · #14 Post by **Barry Brisco** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:13 pm

Wim, I agree that in general "cabriolet" and "convertible" can be
considered synonymous. But Porsche did not use the terms equally. To
Porsche, "Cabriolet" was the name of a specific 356 model. It had a
fairly luxurious folding top that was padded with insulation. The
"Convertible D" model had a more basic and lightweight top with no
insulation.

By the way, the Wikipedia entry for "cabriolet" at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabriolet_(automobile) contains an error:

"The meaning has further evolved over the years and today the term
cabriolet is frequently used for any convertible version of four seat
cars; it is rarely applied to two seat or sports cars. Except for
Porsche convertible models which are all referred to as cabriolets."

I'm going to log in and edit that statement.

Barry

At 11:26 -0700 8/15/08, Captain Wim van der Horst wrote:

Since cabriolet means convertible why should there be a "cabriolet"
and a "convertible"? They should be the same thing. So what was
different?

Captain Wim

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Tom Kayser · #15 Post by **Tom Kayser** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 5:23 pm

My car came with the hardtop only - since then I acquired a soft top.
The rear inside side panels of the hardtop were longer than the soft
top because there is no folded top taking up extra space in the rear
area as when a soft top is in the down position, therefore making a
clean wraparound look .

The soft top panels measure 15" in length (upholstered), while the
hardtop panels measure 24" (un-upholstered.) Also, when the soft top
in in the folded down position there is not enough room to keep the
rear seat back in an upright position - it needs to be folded down.
Soft top up, rear seat can be in the upright position.

Hope this helps,

Tom Kayser #151512 `59 Cab
Kalamazoo, MI

On Aug 15, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Joost van der Velden wrote:

I am interesed in the difference of the side panels of a hard
compaired to a softtop. Anyone?

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