Seeking advice on buying & installing a Nardi Steering w

[JOEL JENSEN]

Jeffrey,
The topic of this thread was 'buying and installing a NARDI steering wheel. Your NARDI wheels are exactly the same as any other. The quality of your custom made wheels and
your hubs etc. is not in dispute. The question is wether the additional cost and hassle is
worth having one of your hubs or horn buttons. IMO the answer is a simple no. As to
'the circumstances of your life', whatever they may be, we all have them. If you want to
run a successful business as many others do, including the vast majority of the vendors
who post here, you realise that the average potential client couldn't care less about 'your
circumstances', only how he is treated as a client. You already have a web site. How hard would it be to post PRICES for your items and provide a simple method of online ordering
via Pay Pal, the usual credit cards etc. Answering calls and e-mails, etc. is a no brainer
in today's wired world. It's just a matter of priorities.
Your friend,
Joel

[Jeffrey Fellman]

Joel, other than the actual Nardi steering wheel itself, not one molecule of
what I offer is available elswhere. Not the hubs, not the horn buttons and
not one other wheel we offer. We are fully competitive in terms of pricing
on the bare Nardi's as we are factory direct. I am sure that the list has
gotten the point that you do not care for how I run my business, I simply do
not understand why you make such an issue of this. Since it is mechanically
impossible to give the time to responding to calls and emails that would
represent "normal" business operation, by your lights I should simply cease
my business activities. I repeat: IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO RETEUN ALL
CALLS AND EMAILS PROMPTLY.
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From: "JOEL JENSEN" <torchia356@sbcglobal.net>
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Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 7:09 PM
Subject: [356Talk] Seeking advice on buying & installing a Nardi Steering w

Jeffrey,
The topic of this thread was 'buying and installing a NARDI steering
wheel. Your NARDI wheels are exactly the same as any other. The quality
of your custom made wheels and
your hubs etc. is not in dispute. The question is wether the additional
cost and hassle is
worth having one of your hubs or horn buttons. IMO the answer is a simple
no. As to
'the circumstances of your life', whatever they may be, we all have them.
If you want to
run a successful business as many others do, including the vast majority
of the vendors
who post here, you realise that the average potential client couldn't care
less about 'your
circumstances', only how he is treated as a client. You already have a
web site. How hard would it be to post PRICES for your items and provide a
simple method of online ordering
via Pay Pal, the usual credit cards etc. Answering calls and e-mails,
etc. is a no brainer
in today's wired world. It's just a matter of priorities. [Wink]
Your friend,
Joel

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[Tom Tate]

I always liked the VDM wood wheels that were delivered on the Carrera 2's. There are a few vendors that can convert your plastic wheel to wood for a reasonable amount and they look great. No hubs or adapters needed. KTF

[JOEL JENSEN]

[quote="Jeffrey Fellman"]Joel, other than the actual Nardi steering wheel itself, not one molecule of
what I offer is available elswhere. Not the hubs, not the horn buttons and
not one other wheel we offer.

The Moto Lita wheels and the Moto Lita made Derrington are both available through
Moto Lita and e-bay vendors in both 15 and 16 inch sizes. Moto Lita also supplies
billet adapters and billet horn buttons for those who want them. The original Nardi
16" thin rim is now being reproduced and VDM wheels can be had by sending your
original VDM plastic to Bruce Crawford or one of the other vendors listed on the
Registry website. All of these vendors will promptly return your calls, reply to your
e-mails and provide the kind of service you say you can't deliver. You're right about
your hubs and horn buttons, they are nice, if one wants the grief of trying to obtain one.
The purpose of this forum is to provide helpful advice and information to those who
ask. I believe this topic has been fully covered and my caveats as to dealing with
Classico wheels have been verified more than once by your own posts. Best of luck
to you and Classico.

[Jeffrey Fellman]

Geez, -. These wheels you mention are not what we sell, nor are they even
close to what we sell. I would again say not to be confused by nomenclature.
You are in effect doing a dis service to the list members by implying that
these products are interchangeable in terms of fit, form and function. This
is quite simply not the case. Motolita makes a wheel that is quite similar
in style but it ends there. even their billet hub has a fairly serious flaw
[ I should know as I designed it for them], ours correct this. I am not
trying to beat this to death but the fact remains that each and every option
you point out revolves around paying a not inconsideable amount of money for
a product that is quite different from what we sell. Henry Reisner switched
from Motolita to us as his Derrington wheel supplier even though we are more
expensive strictly based on finish and appearance. As I have mentioned, we
invite prima facia comparison. I ask customers who question where we differ
from Motolita to call their US distributor and explain that they are buying
a wheel from us with the option to return if they do not care for it and
would like to order one of their examples with the same option. Finish Line
will decline this simple proposition as they already know the result. You
again and again imply , heck- you bluntly state that you can get the same
wheels, hubs and buttons elsewhere. What do you base this knowledge on? To
my certain knowledge you have not purchased any of our products. Please
desist from spreading this dis information. All products are not equal. We
all "get" that you spurn the ground I walk on, great, trust me I am ok with
that. Final point by way of example, show me where else on this planet you
can get the wheel shown at www.ClassicoWheels.com/dishednardi ? "The
original Nardi
> 16" thin rim is now being reproduced ", where? by whom? please provide a
> link. Where can I buy the wheel at www.ClassicoWheels.com/BC16 ? You seem
> quite sure that Motolita has this available. Jack Arct and Bruce Crawford
> do simply fabulous work but they do not produce what we market and
> conversely we do not offer a wood version of the VDM B/C wheel either. If
> this is your desire then of course one or the other of these gentlemen can
> fulfill your needs. I am very proud of my products and I apologise for the
> obvious bristling but I simply cannot abide this unfounded dissemination
> of opinion that our products may be easily obtained elsewhere.

[Mike Acebo]

I have a Moto Lita wheel purchased from someone other then Jeffrey, it now makes a nice garage wall decoration. The fit at the hub was not correct, unlike the wheel I purchased from Jeffrey. He has the fit and finish figured out for our cars.

This was not my only purchase from Jeffrey and I have not been disappointed. Jeffrey has called me at home a couple of times to discuss my purchases, whether to set up for deluxe horn ring or not, etc. I rather enjoy our conversations and we do get off track and discuss other aspects of our lives not related to my car.

I believe Jeffrey has done a lot of research, development and planning on all his parts, that work must be worth something. His stuff is not what I would call off the shelf stock items.

[Steve Minor]

[quote="Mike Acebo"]I have a Moto Lita wheel purchased from someone other then Jeffrey, it now makes a nice garage wall decoration. The fit at the hub was not correct, unlike the wheel I purchased from Jeffrey. He has the fit and finish figured out for our cars.

This was not my only purchase from Jeffrey and I have not been disappointed. Jeffrey has called me at home a couple of times to discuss my purchases, whether to set up for deluxe horn ring or not, etc. I rather enjoy our conversations and we do get off track and discuss other aspects of our lives not related to my car.

I believe Jeffrey has done a lot of research, development and planning on all his parts, that work must be worth something. His stuff is not what I would call off the shelf stock items.[/quote]


I also had a positive experience with Classico. I bought a 16" derrington wheel after recieving it changed my mind and wanted the nardi instead. Jeffery took it back sent me the nardi and hub for inspection. Quality was outstanding - A good transaction. A very satisfied customer, Steve Minor

[Ed Cave]

"Each and every one of these products is made exclusively by or for us and
is NOT available from any other source."


I'm curious. Are you suggesting that Nardi makes specific steering wheels that are available exclusively through your business and could not be purchased anywhere else?

[Jeffrey Fellman]

In a manner yes, other than the ubiquitous 390 Classic none of the other
Nardi wheels we offer can be simply purchased as we supply through any other
source. For the dished B/C version this is simply because we bought every
single one that was available and the circumstances that led to their
production preclude any more being made at this time. As far as the 420mm
flat A Nardi, we are the only official US distributor and we are the only
supplier to do the necessary additional machining to make the wheel even
moderatley like the original. Nardi only made these wheels because I agreed
to take 50 pieces in advance. As far as I know there is no other source for
these wheels with the aditional machining that is quite mandatory in my
view. It takes a couple of hours per wheel in toto and most machine shops
would turn such a high risk job away out of hand. See:
www.ClassicoWheels.com/NardiMods . I think this is what makes us very
different from other suppliers, we manufacture the vast majority of our
products in house in our own machine shop, where production is outsourced
the parts are made to our designs and specifications subject to our
critique. We do not simply vend some other persons product. I trust I have
satisfied your curiosity.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Cave" <edcave@bellsouth.net>
To: <356talk@356registry.com>
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 7:39 PM
Subject: [356Talk] Seeking advice on buying & installing a Nardi Steering w

"Each and every one of these products is made exclusively by or for us and
is NOT available from any other source."


I'm curious. Are you suggesting that Nardi makes specific steering wheels
that are available exclusively through your business and could not be
purchased anywhere else?

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Ed Cave

Member No. 10615
1958 Porsche 356A
1973 Porsche 911 S
1988 Porsche 911 Carrera - Martini Rallye Car
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[Guest]

Mike,
When tightening down the wheel don't go to crazy with the
torque. The Nardi hub is alloy and can split. I use high
strength Loctite (red) and just about 30 ft/lbs.

Alan

Mike Acebo wrote:

Alex,
Classico has nice wheels (Nardi & others), they fit correctly and are
set up for our cars:

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[Jeffrey Fellman]

our hub is 6061 alloy and you are more likely to see the pope and JLo having
sex on pay per view than our hub splitting but uou make an excellent point
about the cheap products that certain list members tout and recommend as
virtually interchangeable. This says nothing of the fit in the column, the
height, the finish and the wobble you will have because the fit in the
bearing is incorrect not to mention the poor fit of the cancel ring in their
hub.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Klingen" <stable356@earthlink.net>
To: <356talk@356registry.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 1:20 PM
Subject: [356Talk] Seeking advice on buying & installing a Nardi Steering w

Mike,
When tightening down the wheel don't go to crazy with the
torque. The Nardi hub is alloy and can split. I use high
strength Loctite (red) and just about 30 ft/lbs.

Alan

Mike Acebo wrote:

Alex,
Classico has nice wheels (Nardi & others), they fit correctly and are
set up for our cars:

<http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx2mkz50>


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[JOEL JENSEN]

The great majority of folks are more than satisfied with Budweiser rather than
Dom '48. Besides not flattening your wallet, it's readily available and the end
result is the same.

[Guest]

I always liked the VDM wood wheels that were delivered on the Carrera 2's. There are a few vendors that can convert your plastic wheel to wood for a reasonable amount and they look great. No hubs or adapters needed. KTF

I agree. I too like the look of the VDM wood wheel, but I do prefer it without the deluxe horn ring.


Regarding the Fellman/Classico Wheel discussion:
I bought a NOS shift lock from Jeffrey last year and I what I thought was just another ebay transaction ended up in (several) pleasant telephone conversations. I was very satisfied with the transaction, the communication and above all the lock.
This was in no way tedeous or problematic, unlike so many other transactions.

Martin

btw: Jeffrey, I have still not fitted the lock - just haven't found the time!

[Jeffrey Fellman]

I guess this is why we belong to the Volkswagen chat group , right? Also
where did you get the idea that my products were really materially more
expensive? "and the end result is the same." wink, wink? I think this is
like Packards " ask the man who owns one"

----- Original Message -----
From: "JOEL JENSEN" <torchia356@sbcglobal.net>
To: <356talk@356registry.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 3:36 PM
Subject: [356Talk] Seeking advice on buying & installing a Nardi Steering w

The great majority of folks are more than satisfied with Budweiser rather
than
Dom '48. Besides not flattening your wallet, it's readily available and
the end
result is the same.

[Wink]

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[JOEL JENSEN]

Dang Jeffrey, if only you responded to inquiries about your products as promptly
as you do to these posts you'd probably have a thriving business.