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Re: 356C shifter locked - missing key

#31 Post by Martin Benade » Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:37 am

Also the positions of the shifter, the locking plate, and the shift rod are all adjustable. It can take some playing around to get them right as they all must match. It's fun to solve a problem with three variables. it is easier to adjust it to lock in neutral only than neutral AND reverse, as it should be. I have had luck leaving the locking plate and the shifter loose enough they could slide a bit, stirring the shifter around and trying to lock it. Then when it does lock, remove the shifter and tighten the plate. then try again with only the shifter loose, and then tighten it too. Probably Alex's problem was more an adjustment problem- It would have been sloppy but it locks an the other part below.

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Re: 356C shifter locked - missing key

#32 Post by Frederick Adler » Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:06 pm

The rod is not in position in that pix but shows the brass part that turns over the rod to lock it down. It is a simple thing but clever.

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Re: 356C shifter locked - missing key

#33 Post by Frederick Adler » Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:08 pm

See the grove that the brass posts block when the key is turned?
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Re: 356C shifter locked - missing key

#34 Post by Simon Fairweather » Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:18 pm

A friend and I both have shift locks with no keys... and we'd like to remedy this. I have a questions to anyone who may have dismantled their locks; How do you remove the lock barrel from its case? There is a screw half way down the side which appeared to lock it in, but having removed it I still cant move the barrel from the case?
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Does the key need to be in the lock or something? Does any one have a photo of the internals, or know a link to a picture? I realise that there are vendors that can reset/overhaul the lock for me, but I'm both intrigued and keen to do it myself if possible (I'm a jeweller).
Also there are two holes on the other side of the case which are threaded on my lock, and not on my friends lock. Why the difference? Mine is from a late T6B, and my mate's is a 64 C.
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threaded holes in rear
Another question to those who know that they have their original key sets; Do the keys for the shift lock mirror the keys for the ignition (with the exception of being on a longer blank), or did the factory just allot random sets for the door/ignition and the shift lock?
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Re: 356C shifter locked - missing key

#35 Post by Martin Benade » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:14 pm

I have studied and picked one of these out of the car. It is "locked open" or "locked closed" so it must be picked and turned to the halfway point to disassemble it. They are quite difficult to pick. Tony Eugeneo has a method where instead of picking the lock he mills off the side of the lock outer barrel and dumps the pins out, and then fills in the chunk of missing metal with lead or solder. It is crude but effective, I have one in my car that he did. The key is unrelated to the other locks on the car. Another thing I noticed in my studies- when the cylinder is out of the body there is a cut where I am sure a thin piece of rubber used to go to close off the key hole from dirt falling in, with a cut down the middle for the key to pass through. I have never heard mention of this but it looks like a likely feature.

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Re: 356C shifter locked - missing key

#36 Post by Simon Fairweather » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:27 pm

Martin - thank you! That sheds much light on the subject. A friend Of mine who has done some lock picking in the past (not as a criminal ;-) ) has had a go at my lock and got as far as setting 5 of the 6 pins, but then we ran out of time and stamina. With your info I'll persist and see if I can't crack it.
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Re: 356C shifter locked - missing key

#37 Post by Martin Benade » Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:24 pm

If you get it apart, to reassemble it you will need tweezers and a shaft the same diameter as the cylinder to put it back together. You can do this with the locking peg out, and add it after everything is together. I can explain further if it isn't obvious. Have fun!

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Re: 356C shifter locked - missing key

#38 Post by Simon Fairweather » Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:39 pm

Thanks Martin
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Re: 356C shifter locked - missing key

#39 Post by keith lee » Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:42 pm

T6B. I have my shifter lock out and at an old school locksmith here in town. They are having a devil of a time trying to pick it. He says that he thinks it may be seized, or one of the pins has bound up inside as there is no movement at all. I understand that they are locked open and locked closed, but should there be a bit of wiggle?
I really want to use the original shifter lock and any advice I could give the locksmith would be beneficial.
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Re: 356C shifter locked - missing key

#40 Post by Geoff Fleming » Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:52 pm

It is an excellent anti-theft device!
Because an owner knows how to unbolt it does not mean the average car thief does...nor will a thief even try to figure it out unless given a lot of time. The entire shift mechanism is covered by rubber which masks the allen head bolts. I know many 356 owners who can't figure out how to remove the lock, so a knucklehead who just wants to shift into gear and drive off will most likely not do the due diligence required to make the car shift. Likewise...use of the fuel on-off lever has prevented cars from being driven more than a very short distance. Again, since many owners are not familiar with the lever, odds are a thief isn't either.
Many 356s have been saved from being stolen by the use of the shift lock and or the fuel lever.

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Re: 356C shifter locked - missing key

#41 Post by Jim Alton » Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:03 pm

Geoff Fleming wrote:Only a thief knowledgeable about 356s would know about the shifter lock. The average car thief does not expect a transmission to be locked in reverse or neutral and is not going to spend a lot of time figuring out how to undo the mechanism. Likewise, the fuel cock also is a very effective anti-theft device. Few modern drivers would think to look for an on/off fuel valve. I even know long time 356 owners who never knew it was there! Always a great idea to shut off the fuel supply when parking the car...a thief won't get far if he manages to start the car.
There was a 356 stolen in the Los Angeles area a year or so ago which was recovered at the bottom of the hill with its petcock set to "Zu." It did suffer wiring damage from the would-be thieves who must have read on this forum that "90 % of carburation problems are in the ignition."

The thieves to worry about nowadays carry the whole car away and worry about starting it later.
 
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Re: 356C shifter locked - missing key

#42 Post by Martin Benade » Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:18 pm

Yes, overseas!

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Re: 356C shifter locked - missing key

#43 Post by Greg Bryan » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:16 am

I sent mine to Ryan Hernandez in Connecticut - quick turn-around, great communication and reasonable price to make the key.
He's a member, so you can look for his contact info in "Members"
Mine was also at a local locksmith who could not pick it to get it apart.
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Re: 356C shifter locked - missing key

#44 Post by Martin Benade » Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:29 am

Did Ryan succeed in picking it, thereby making you a key without cutting a portion of the lock body for access? If so, I am impressed.

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Re: 356C shifter locked - missing key

#45 Post by Greg Bryan » Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:16 am

I don't know how he did it but the lock came back in less than a week with two keys and was Undamaged
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