Engine Type 547/0 Serial P90009
- Nigel Cousins
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Re: Engine Type 547/0 Serial P90009
Hi Jack
Great thread, here is the parts manual drawing for the behind the fan shroud linkage parts, I have now amassed about 70% of the linkage parts for my project. I will take some photo's of the key parts laid out on the bench and send them to you so you can compare them with what you have installed. Like Joris I will be interested to see some close up pics of the breather, I am currently making this part.
My best regards
Nigel
Great thread, here is the parts manual drawing for the behind the fan shroud linkage parts, I have now amassed about 70% of the linkage parts for my project. I will take some photo's of the key parts laid out on the bench and send them to you so you can compare them with what you have installed. Like Joris I will be interested to see some close up pics of the breather, I am currently making this part.
My best regards
Nigel
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Re: Engine Type 547/0 Serial P90009
Jack
As promissed Regards
Nigel
As promissed Regards
Nigel
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Re: Engine Type 547/0 Serial P90009
Here's a shot of the 550 style linkage installed on my engine:
I'll provide some detailed shots of the breather when I remove it from the engine - I'm still puzzled why the Italians refitted the original 550 Spyder breather to the engine they sent back to me. They also kept the 692 style throttle linkage.
I'll provide some detailed shots of the breather when I remove it from the engine - I'm still puzzled why the Italians refitted the original 550 Spyder breather to the engine they sent back to me. They also kept the 692 style throttle linkage.
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Re: Engine Type 547/0 Serial P90009
Jack:
The linkage on your engine is not correct for either a Spyder or Carrera. The pivot shaft for the bell-crank is vertical on both. The breather appears to be Spyder, as it's support is welded to the tube. The Carrera support bolts to the tube. Also, the tube for the vent hose (not visible) protrudes from the end of the tube on a Carrera, the side on a spyder.
Nigel:
Your Bell-crank is not right, either. It appears to be a Spyder part, with the 3 welded-on mounting bolts added. The mounting bracket for a Carrera is longer, with a dog-leg bend, so that the pull arm is square with the pull-rod coming up from the side of the gearbox. It mounts to the support bracket for the breather, with welded-on bolts, like yours.
KTF
The linkage on your engine is not correct for either a Spyder or Carrera. The pivot shaft for the bell-crank is vertical on both. The breather appears to be Spyder, as it's support is welded to the tube. The Carrera support bolts to the tube. Also, the tube for the vent hose (not visible) protrudes from the end of the tube on a Carrera, the side on a spyder.
Nigel:
Your Bell-crank is not right, either. It appears to be a Spyder part, with the 3 welded-on mounting bolts added. The mounting bracket for a Carrera is longer, with a dog-leg bend, so that the pull arm is square with the pull-rod coming up from the side of the gearbox. It mounts to the support bracket for the breather, with welded-on bolts, like yours.
KTF
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- janos szarvadi
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Re: Engine Type 547/0 Serial P90009
Hello Gerry,
Could you please identyfy the bracket found in my "Carrera" parts stash.
Sorry for hijacking your thread, Jack.
Thanks,
Janos
Could you please identyfy the bracket found in my "Carrera" parts stash.
Sorry for hijacking your thread, Jack.
Thanks,
Janos
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Re: Engine Type 547/0 Serial P90009
No worries about the hijack - that's what these threads are for to share information
That looks to me like a home grown modification to adapt to a throttle cable
That looks to me like a home grown modification to adapt to a throttle cable
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Re: Engine Type 547/0 Serial P90009
Thanks, Jack and oups for the hijack spelling, edited now.
Janos
Janos
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Re: Engine Type 547/0 Serial P90009
I was looking at some pictures of a fully restored Type 547 Spyder motor that I found and I have identified the bell crank that I have as definitely being identical to the one on that motor - where I was completely wrong was where it was supposed to be mounted.....
As you can see it mounts perfectly on the crank pulley side of the shroud and the linkage runs behind the fan belt. There must have been another bell crank mounted on the firewall of the 550 with a piece of linkage connecting to the lower ball.
I'll have to post the photos of the other motor tomorrow as they are on my work computer.
As you can see it mounts perfectly on the crank pulley side of the shroud and the linkage runs behind the fan belt. There must have been another bell crank mounted on the firewall of the 550 with a piece of linkage connecting to the lower ball.
I'll have to post the photos of the other motor tomorrow as they are on my work computer.
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Re: Engine Type 547/0 Serial P90009
Nigel - now that I've closely examined the parts manuals and taken a fourth (or fifth) look at your linkage pieces I can see that your bell crank assembly is the correct one for a 356 Carrera. There is a plate that this piece mounts to that supports the breather tube assembly (47 in the attached parts diagram).Nigel Cousins wrote:Jack
As promissed Regards
Nigel
I can see now how the bell crank axis is tilted forward at the bottom so the linkage coming up from the transmission has a straighter pull - I may need to get some dimensions from you if I have to make one of these. Thanks again - it looks like you've provided a major piece of the puzzle.
Does any one need a 550 Spyder bell crank assembly?
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Re: Engine Type 547/0 Serial P90009
Jack Walter;
In response to your grandfather's 1932 Miller, is there a # of it available?
A local shop here in Cincinnati is restoring 2-Millers of that age and it's possible it may be still alive and passed through here. The resto shop has a full library w/historical cars, factory drawings, and they can make parts from scratch if not available from archive collections!
Dick (52-year owner of 83948 1500GS Speedster)
In response to your grandfather's 1932 Miller, is there a # of it available?
A local shop here in Cincinnati is restoring 2-Millers of that age and it's possible it may be still alive and passed through here. The resto shop has a full library w/historical cars, factory drawings, and they can make parts from scratch if not available from archive collections!
Dick (52-year owner of 83948 1500GS Speedster)
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Re: Engine Type 547/0 Serial P90009
Not a good picture, but the best I could find
Freddy
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Re: Engine Type 547/0 Serial P90009
Freddy - that drawing shows the arrangement of the linkage for the 550 Spyder -
I have the piece that mounts at around 7:00 o'clock in relation to the fan. The linkage runs from there to the firewall of the Spyder. I'm trying to acquire the pieces for a coupe/cabriolet where the linkage is behind the fan shroud (flywheel side). I wish I'd seen that drawing before though - it would have saved some head scratching. Thanks.
Dick - I only know that one of the Millers was black and had the number 56 on the tail (the age of his little sister June and my Dad in 1932). My grandfather was George Howard Walter (everyone called him GH or Pops). I'll have to figure out how to scan a frame off of an 8mm film of the car running around a track in Pennsylvania that I have. Pops usually ran races in the eastern Pennsylvania and New Jersey area as far as I know. Dad said he didn't like Indianapolis but liked Langhorne. I haven't been able to learn much about his racing history as I'd like. I know he used to drive in the early to mid 1920's until he married my grandmother. After that he owned as many as three cars until they moved to Panama in 1933.
I have the piece that mounts at around 7:00 o'clock in relation to the fan. The linkage runs from there to the firewall of the Spyder. I'm trying to acquire the pieces for a coupe/cabriolet where the linkage is behind the fan shroud (flywheel side). I wish I'd seen that drawing before though - it would have saved some head scratching. Thanks.
Dick - I only know that one of the Millers was black and had the number 56 on the tail (the age of his little sister June and my Dad in 1932). My grandfather was George Howard Walter (everyone called him GH or Pops). I'll have to figure out how to scan a frame off of an 8mm film of the car running around a track in Pennsylvania that I have. Pops usually ran races in the eastern Pennsylvania and New Jersey area as far as I know. Dad said he didn't like Indianapolis but liked Langhorne. I haven't been able to learn much about his racing history as I'd like. I know he used to drive in the early to mid 1920's until he married my grandmother. After that he owned as many as three cars until they moved to Panama in 1933.
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Re: Engine Type 547/0 Serial P90009
Jack,
Taking digital photos of the footage while it's playing is a simple alternative to scanning the actual film. Not perfect, but possibly good enough.
Cheers,
-Greg
Taking digital photos of the footage while it's playing is a simple alternative to scanning the actual film. Not perfect, but possibly good enough.
Cheers,
-Greg
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Re: Engine Type 547/0 Serial P90009
I just noticed that an engine, purporting to be this one, just popped up for sale in Australia for (AU)$21K. Sounds very odd.
https://www.justcars.com.au/cars-for-sa ... JCW3931591
https://www.justcars.com.au/cars-for-sa ... JCW3931591
Merv
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