3 point seat belt source

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Greg Spreeman · #1 Post by **Greg Spreeman** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:53 pm

I hate to go non-original since I've done my best to restore the car to it's original state but, safety does have its advantages.

Where can I find nice 3 point belts for my car, (lap and shoulder)?

My interior is red. Should the belts be red or black?

Thanks all,

John Lewenauer · #2 Post by **John Lewenauer** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:11 pm

I'm very happy with mine from

http://www.peparts.com/

http://www.peparts.com/Detail.bok?no=73

Ron LaDow · #3 Post by **Ron LaDow** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:30 pm

"I'm very happy with mine from

http://www.peparts.com/

1964 356 C Coupe, Togo/Fawn, Chassis 126634"

A set of belts were installed by PEP before I got the car. They are comfortable, unobtrusive, and I can only hope they do what they are intended to do if that is ever required.
I think EASY Jim also offers 3-point belts; Jim does good work. Your choice.
Thanks,
Ron LaDow

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Roland Paterson · #4 Post by **Roland Paterson** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:00 am

Hi

I ordered a set from Madre(?) collection.

Disappointed to see that the Porsche crest was actually painted on...

Cheers

Roland

Barry Brisco · #5 Post by **Barry Brisco** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:47 am

In my last two 356s I have installed 3-point Diest Safety belts
(black) that I bought from Jim at EASY http://www.easypor.com, and I
highly recommend them. They are non-retractable, which I prefer
because they look more period. Modern retractors in a 356 are just
too, well, modern for me.

I see no point in using red belts in a red interior car. You're
unlikely to be able to find red webbing that will match your
interior. Black goes with everything.

Barry Brisco

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At 19:53 -0700 6/23/08, Greg Spreeman wrote:

I hate to go non-original since I've done my best to restore the car
to it's original state but, safety does have its advantages.

Where can I find nice 3 point belts for my car, (lap and shoulder)?

My interior is red. Should the belts be red or black?

Thanks all,

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Greg Spreeman
1965 356SC Coupe

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Mike Zois · #6 Post by **Mike Zois** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:30 am

Roland Paterson wrote:Hi

I ordered a set from Madre(?) collection.

Disappointed to see that the Porsche crest was actually painted on...

Cheers

Roland

Hmmmpf, what would one expect? Just because SM nows pays for an ad in the Registry magazine would you expect the junk he sells to get any better?

Mike Watkins · #7 Post by **Mike Watkins** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:29 am

On the 3pt belts that do not retract, does the third belt use one of the same anchor points as the original 2 or do you have to drill an anchor for the shoulder belt?

Thanks,
Mike

Barry Brisco · #8 Post by **Barry Brisco** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:19 am

The shoulder belt is anchored at the rear of the rear interior panel.
You definitely DO NOT use the outside floor anchor point, that would
be disastrous. There is a great deal of detailed information on this
topic here:
http://356registry.org/tech/seat_belt_i ... altby.html
PLEASE READ IT. This is critical safety information. You may also
find this article to be of interest:
http://356registry.org/tech/safety_and_ ... html#Belts

Best regards,

Barry Brisco

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At 6:29 -0700 6/24/08, Mike Watkins wrote:

On the 3pt belts that do not retract, does the third belt use one of
the same anchor points as the original 2 or do you have to drill an
anchor for the shoulder belt?

Thanks,
Mike

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62 T6 Cab

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Joseph Carastro · #9 Post by **Joseph Carastro** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:21 pm

Greg,

Have a look at GotBelts.com

Joe

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Subject: [356Talk] 3 point seat belt source

I hate to go non-original since I've done my best to restore the car to it's
original state but, safety does have its advantages.

Where can I find nice 3 point belts for my car, (lap and shoulder)?

My interior is red. Should the belts be red or black?

Thanks all,

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1965 356SC Coupe

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John Lewenauer · #10 Post by **John Lewenauer** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:41 pm

Barry Brisco wrote:They are non-retractable, which I prefer
because they look more period.

The thing about non-retractable is you're effectively "bolted" into the seat. If you want to reach for the dash, floor, window crank, etc., you need to slip off the shoulder. I have non-retractable factory installed 3 point in my '67 250 SL. Anytime I try to move to a position other than straight forward, I'm reminded that I'm not going anywhere. It's unsafe to loosen it to the point of movement beyond what's comfortable for driving.

The unit doesn't look so bad in the factory mounting point relative to the comfort/safety it provides.

Jim Breazeale · #11 Post by **Jim Breazeale** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:45 pm

Mike Watkins wrote:On the 3pt belts that do not retract, does the third belt use one of the same anchor points as the original 2 or do you have to drill an anchor for the shoulder belt?

Thanks,
Mike

Mike

Your car did not come with any attaching points for seat belts. The floor and quarter panel attaching points need to be drilled and reinforced by you. Attaching points for seatbelts (both lap and shoulder) were installed by the factory in 63 and later 356s. You missed it by one year. I was in the same boat. My 62 Cab, now has lap, shoulder, and rear seat belts.

Regards

Frederic Prince · #12 Post by **Frederic Prince** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:57 pm

hi,
if you I go with 2 points seat belt for front and rear, what size should i take for front fixed end length and adjustable end length, and same question for rear ?
for front, i will anchor them as it is said in the article from registry.
for rear, do you have pict ?
thanks
fred
P.S.
it's for the T5 roadster

Barry Brisco · #13 Post by **Barry Brisco** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:10 pm

John, it all depends on the driver's height and arm length. I'm
6'2", not at the extreme end of the Bell Curve, but probably taller
than the average 356 driver. Snugly belted into my 3-point
non-retractable setup I can easily reach the passenger window and
rear quarter, as well as the fuel cock. I can just reach the
emergency brake handle to pull it on. I have to slip out of the
shoulder belt to reach the driver's rear quarter. I don't mind the
very minor inconvenience of the non-retractable belt to avoid the
look of the bulky retractor mechanisms. And retractor mechanisms can
conceivably fail in a rollover or extreme situation. I like the
fail-safe simplicity of the non-retractable system. Nothing wrong
with being "bolted" into the seat, in my opinion.

Barry

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At 9:41 -0700 6/24/08, John_Lewenauer wrote:

The thing about non-retractable is you're effectively "bolted" into
the seat. If you want to reach for the dash, floor, window crank,
etc., you need to slip off the shoulder. I have non-retractable
factory installed 3 point in my '67 250 SL. Anytime I try to move
to a position other than straight forward, I'm reminded that I'm not
going anywhere. It's unsafe to loosen it to the point of movement
beyond what's comfortable for driving.

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Bill Dally · #14 Post by **Bill Dally** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:03 pm

I am also planning to upgrade my 65 SC to three point belts and am debating retractable vs non-retractable. Looking at the posted photos, can the rear seats still be folded up with the retractable belts?

Ron LaDow · #15 Post by **Ron LaDow** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:42 pm

Bill,

"I am also planning to upgrade my 65 SC to three point belts and am
debating retractable vs non-retractable. Looking at the posted
photos, can the rear seats still be folded up with the retractable
belts?
Bill Dally"

Mine do. The retractor is on the vertical panel behind the front seat and the belt passes through a 'loop' just behind my shoulder.
Thanks,
Ron LaDow

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