C vs SC
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C vs SC
Quick ?
Besides the engine and lettering on back, is there any way to tell the difference between a C and an SC..
For example, If an SC has a non-matching number engine, can you tell the car is an SC, somebody may have just put an SC on a C car??
Just curious, My quest to find a Cab and C and SC are priced quite different...
Bill
Besides the engine and lettering on back, is there any way to tell the difference between a C and an SC..
For example, If an SC has a non-matching number engine, can you tell the car is an SC, somebody may have just put an SC on a C car??
Just curious, My quest to find a Cab and C and SC are priced quite different...
Bill
Thanks,
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Re: C vs SC
Tach has a different red line
that is about it unless you get in and drive it. SCs have a bit more ooph, but if the engine is worn.... meh.
that is about it unless you get in and drive it. SCs have a bit more ooph, but if the engine is worn.... meh.
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Re: C vs SC
Kardex will tell you and the COA may. Other than that engine will have a number starting with 8xxxxx and tach will have the higher redline and you have the SC badge and I could add one of those to my car and call it an SC.
If I had known I would live this long I would have pushed the envelope a little harder.
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Re: C vs SC
Pretty sure those are really the only way to tell.
The factory did not 'match' engine and chassis numbers, so a car fitted with a C engine and associated parts could 'evolve/mutate' to an SC by scumbags motivated by such fraud and dishonesty to make such changes in the parts.
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Re: C vs SC
I bought one like this once. It was badged as an SC, had a period correct SC motor. The guy said he didn't have a COA but he talked to Porsche, he even gave me the name of the guy he talked to. The seller even worked for Porsche. I bought the car, but had a nagging feeling. Before I picked it up I ran the number with my source, the car was not an SC, it was a C. When I asked the seller about it he got fuzzy on why he thought it was an SC. I got my money back. His attitude was I could probably sell it and no one would know, the problem was I knew it wasn't an SC!Ron LaDow wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:52 amPretty sure those are really the only way to tell.
The factory did not 'match' engine and chassis numbers, so a car fitted with a C engine and associated parts could 'evolve/mutate' to an SC by scumbags motivated by such fraud and dishonesty to make such changes in the parts.
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Re: C vs SC
You didn't consider it to be non numbers-matching until proven otherwise, and pay accordingly?
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Re: C vs SC
The guy was a Porsche employee, dropped all the right names, so I trusted him. When I called him on the farce he got vague, and wouldn't re-negotiate on the deal, but he did give me my money back. He probably fleeced the next guy.Martin Benade wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:23 pm You didn't consider it to be non numbers-matching until proven otherwise, and pay accordingly?
The car was 221142 if anyone comes across is, the original motor was 716XXX.
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Re: C vs SC
Along with the Kardex you can track the vin number or chassis number and comparing this number to the range of numbers of Reutter and Karmann you will find out if the car is indeed a SC. Engines are the hardest to verify because so many were switched out. Many have 912 engines with big bore kits etc installed. The Appendix in James Schrager book “Buying, Driving and Enjoying the Porsche 356” lists the chassis numbers and engine number ranges of the C and SC
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Re: C vs SC
Toby, the problem is that the bodies were all C, the chassis #'s were all the same two series; coupe or cabrio. The engine could be C, SC or Carrera, and the body trimmed to suit. The best proof available is the Kardex, or the COA for abbreviated information.
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Re: C vs SC
I’ve got a spare SC engine for my C, but when I pulled my C engine down it had a counterbalanced crank, the SC camshaft and the heads were the same. Both engines were 1720cc and I have a choice of Zenith or Solex carbs. I run Zeniths because Solex will not give me the performance of my 718 and I might lose some torque.
Presumably a genuine SC is more valuable than a C, which is a very nice car.
Presumably a genuine SC is more valuable than a C, which is a very nice car.
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Re: C vs SC
I did some looking on ebay at C's and SC's that had COA's and the tach red line is 6,000 on SC and about 5200 on the C's.
A scammer that would make a C look like an SC most likely will not swap the tach...
Bill
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Re: C vs SC
Ashley, the C cam would work best with the Zenith carbs, nicer low speed torque. The heads are identical either way, with the exception of sodium cooled ex valves in the SC, which is not particularly important. Too bad the cam is so much work to swap because you would like it even better.
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Re: C vs SC
I seem to recall that the SC tach went from a 6000 rpm display to 7000 rpm when it went to the electronic tach in early '64 as a running change
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Re: C vs SC
Martin, the engine is surprisingly flexible as it is, presumably because it’s 1720cc. TBH I was surprised at how smooth and powerful it was and with broken rings and a scored barrel. It has a new set now and stem seals. Otherwise it seemed to be in pretty good condition, so hopefully I’ll never need my spare SC engine.Martin Benade wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:14 am Ashley, the C cam would work best with the Zenith carbs, nicer low speed torque. The heads are identical either way, with the exception of sodium cooled ex valves in the SC, which is not particularly important. Too bad the cam is so much work to swap because you would like it even better.